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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: why do you consider yourself more Christian than Jewish? What an utterly stupid question Phat. I am a member of a recognized Christian Sect and not a Jew.
Phat writes: Do you see any Jewish beliefs that you have internalized? How are they similar to your Christian beliefs? Is it all one religion to you? What? Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all based on the same God character, the same set of stories, the same basic morality system. But they are distinct different religions.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: The ongoing question which we may never find an anser to is whether our ideas and beliefs about said "God character" reflect in any way the actual GOD. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all based on the same God character, the same set of stories, the same basic morality system. Does He care what we think and believe or only what we do? Does He(She,It) care about us any more than pond scum? Will we ever know? Does our obsession with needing to know how GOD thinks indicative of our own need to control things more than finding our Cosmic Daddy?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The ongoing question which we may never find an anser to is whether our ideas and beliefs about said "God character" reflect in any way the actual GOD. Does He care what we think and believe or only what we do? Does He(She,It) care about us any more than pond scum? Will we ever know? Certainly not while we are still alive.
Phat writes: Does our obsession with needing to know how GOD thinks indicative of our own need to control things more than finding our Cosmic Daddy? Only those who have such needed need to even wonder about that. Most folk don't have such a need or fill it by creating and worshiping the God they imagine.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: I've often wondered how you label the Christian Culture of what you call "Willful Ignorance"...and this group appears to be quite large. Most folk don't have such a need or fill it by creating and worshiping the God they imagine. Among them are people whom I respect as being quite inciteful regarding their own personal beliefs and the rationale behind them. You have always attempted to teach that there is no way that anyone can actually know what GOD thinks while we are alive. You have also dismissed most if not all of those who profess Christian apologetics. Matt Dillahunty would agree with you to a large extent. You seem to be ok with not knowing. I agree that it is more about belief than knowledge. My belief insists upon a God Who cares. You seem to have no such need. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: You seem to be ok with not knowing. Whether or not I am okay with not knowing really is irrelevant. Just as it's really irrelevant whether or not I am capable of jumping over the moon. The issue is no one has ever explained how it might be possible to know anything about any supernatural thing or event.
Phat writes: I agree that it is more about belief than knowledge. My belief insists upon a God Who cares. You seem to have no such need. You still have it wrong Phat. My beliefs have no control over reality. It does not matter what I need or believe, I accept the reality that I cannot know.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: So an angel appears to someone. (or a UFO, for that matter) and they are fully aware that they have experienced something unexplainable. They may well attribute it to a supernatural event,then..but can never know? See...I disagree with this idea that the atheists and you guys cling to that evidence is the only standard. Why can't experience count? The issue is no one has ever explained how it might be possible to know anything about any supernatural thing or event.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Christians accept both the OT and NT as being God inspired. The Jews accept the OT only. Muslims accept much of the OT, but the Quran is their holy book.
Both Jews and Muslims claim to worship the God of the OT. But, do they? When we compare both Testaments, we soon learn that Jesus (who existed from eternity as the Word or Logos) was the God of both Testaments. Jesus was the member of the God Family who created everything, including the angels. Nothing existed before He created it. Which is why (as our Creator) His blood, and His blood only, could atone for our sins. He was the member of the God Family Who rode in the cloud as the Israelites left Egypt. He, Himself, wrote the 10 Commandments on the tablets of stone. He was the great "I AM," who appeared to Moses in the burning bush. From a Christian perspective, it is quite contradictory for Jews and Muslims to claim that they worship the God of the OT when they despise Him.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There is only one problem that the critics reasonable have with the sacrifice.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And what problem is that? There is only one problem that the critics reasonable have with the sacrifice.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I forget you can't see videos. It is essentially a video of Matt Dillahunty expounding on this:
It does sound rather convoluted. Christians at church would not so much as entertain this question. In my opinion, it is a valuable question to put on the list of questions for God to answer.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It isn't just convoluted. It's a complete non sequitur. It's like saying, "All dogs are brown. Therefore, the Eiffel Tower is the oldest bus-driver on Mars." It does sound rather convoluted.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: It does sound rather convoluted. You bet. It's also totally absurd. Basically you are being told that your omnipotent god has to kill himself in order to be able to forgive you for something that you didn't do. Does that make any sense at all to you?
Christians at church would not so much as entertain this question. An organisation not being able to entertain an question should be an immediate reason to leave it. Not being able to answer it is different to not allowing it.
In my opinion, it is a valuable question to put on the list of questions for God to answer. Sure, but it's hardly original. It's just another age-old question that has an answer but it's not one you want to hear. Just like the problem of suffering. Religion cannot answer these questions.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Without any commentary, just show me the scriptures that say God sacrificed HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. (And I am not asking for scripture about his child or "son") Scripture please. Quote it.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
LNA writes: Without any commentary, just show me the scriptures that say God sacrificed HIMSELF.HIMSELF. (And I am not asking for scripture about his child or "son") Scripture please. Christians tell us that Jesus is part of a triune God - the Holy Trinity. I'm not going to defend that obvious crap to you - you'll need to find a Christian to do that. But your good friend google has a lot to say about the Trinity's biblical support. Knock yourself out. Top 25 Bible Verses about the Trinity: Father, Son & Holy SpiritJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Nice quote from scripture.
(Did you miss the part about me ONLY wanting a raw scriptural quotation, absent any blather?) Again, where does it say God sacrificed himself? I don't care what (Gospel) John 1 says. I know that some scriptures say Jesus was God. I just want to see this large New Testament sacrifice theme being put into the context of God HIMSELF being the sacrifice. (Again, I'm not saying that no New Testament books had the idea present, I just wonder why it might never actually spell out that GOD HIMSELF WAS THE SACRIFICE) (I suppose my implication is that "Jesus is/was God" was such a LATE-developing idea, that the Biblical scriptures, with a reflection of various (earlier?) Christologies, did not quite have the chance to certainly describe the oft-repeated sacrificial lamb as God himself)
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