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Author Topic:   Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century
nator
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Message 46 of 313 (378155)
01-19-2007 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rob
01-19-2007 1:26 AM


Re: Descrimination...
quote:
as an aside: Isn't it amazing also, that God called man and woman... man (or in the Hebrew, 'Adam'). It was only after sin entered the picture that the male decided to give his wife a diferent name from his own and rule over her.

So...I'm confused.

Are you saying that it is sinful for a man to rule over his wife?


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nator
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Message 49 of 313 (378180)
01-19-2007 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Rob
01-19-2007 7:38 PM


a newer, gentler misogyny
So, the hierarchy is thus:

God
Males
Females

Females should think of men the way men think of God.

Right?

And also, how can a man truly respect another adult who, when there is a serious difference of opinion between them, knows they will always submit to his wishes?

That doesn't seem like a healthy relationship between two adults.

That sounds a lot like a parent/child relationship.


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nator
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Message 105 of 313 (378435)
01-20-2007 5:43 PM
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01-19-2007 8:27 PM


Re: a newer, gentler misogyny
Females should think of men the way men think of God.
Right?

quote:
Of course not.

Huh? Well, what does this passage from the Bible that you quoted mean, if it doesn't mean that women should think of men the way that men think of God.

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

I mean, isn't that exactly what it says?


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nator
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Message 106 of 313 (378437)
01-20-2007 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by anastasia
01-20-2007 1:11 PM


Re: Inalienable Rights...from now on, that is.
quote:
to gain access to any job they would choose.

Just so you know...

In 41 states in the US, it is perfectly legal to deny a job to someone because they are gay, or fire them if it is discovered that they are gay.

It is also perfectly legal in many places to refuse to rent to or sell a house or apartment to someone because they are gay, or because they want to purchase the house with someone of the same gender. It is also perfectly legal to evict them because they are gay.


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nator
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Message 109 of 313 (378456)
01-20-2007 7:06 PM
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01-20-2007 6:52 PM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
quote:
There is no reason for them to do what is 'right', since right becomes what ever benefits the individual and their desires.

Does the term "social pressure" mean anything to you?


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nator
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Message 138 of 313 (378636)
01-21-2007 1:06 PM
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01-20-2007 7:32 PM


Re: a newer, gentler misogyny
quote:
It doesn't say that you should think of men as God. You don't have to think of men as god. Not even your husband.

You are exhorted to submit to your husband as to the Lord.


What's the difference?

Examples, please.


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Message 140 of 313 (378638)
01-21-2007 1:09 PM
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01-20-2007 7:39 PM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
Does the term "social pressure" mean anything to you?

quote:
Of course!

That is what society uses to silence the truth...


Sometimes, yes.

It is also what society uses to inhibit people from acting like Hitler did, which is the point I was making and you are now avoiding with an irrelevant comment.

Please pay attention to the thread of the topic.

But, responfing to your comment...

Are you saying that Hitler was speaking the truth and was silenced by society?


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nator
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Message 141 of 313 (378641)
01-21-2007 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Fosdick
01-21-2007 1:08 PM


Re: The modernity of gay "marriage"
quote:
I do take notice however that male E. coli bacteria have sex only with their female counterparts. This is a great relief for me to know that gay microbes are not screwing around down there in my intestines.

Er, as I understand it, bacteria are not gendered.

Nor do they have sex.

Edited by nator, : No reason given.


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Message 148 of 313 (378654)
01-21-2007 1:51 PM
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01-21-2007 1:44 PM


Re: a newer, gentler misogyny
You are apparently completely unable to follow a topic.

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Message 151 of 313 (378657)
01-21-2007 1:55 PM
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01-21-2007 1:45 PM


Re: The modernity of gay "marriage"
No, most bacteria replicate through assexual cell division.

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nator
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Message 165 of 313 (378692)
01-21-2007 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Rob
01-21-2007 2:43 PM


Re: right and wrong.
quote:
If I must accept homosexuality as a valid lifestyle, then what do I have the right not to accept?

You don't have to accept any lifestyle as valid.

I don't personally accept Fundamentalist Christianity as a valid lifestyle.

However, I do not have the right to prevent anyone else from living as a Fundamentalist Christian if they so choose, as long as that lifestyle does not impose upon the rights of others.

You believe, because of your religion, that you have the right to impose your lifestyle choices upon everyone else.

That is morally wrong, rob.


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nator
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Message 166 of 313 (378693)
01-21-2007 3:05 PM
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01-21-2007 2:53 PM


Re: right and wrong.
quote:
So, it doesn't matter if we think that child moesting is a valid lifestyle?

No.

It matters if it is a crime or not.

And you do know that the overwhelming majority of child molestors are straight males, don't you?


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nator
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Message 171 of 313 (378705)
01-21-2007 3:31 PM
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01-21-2007 3:23 PM


Re: right and wrong.
quote:
All of our lifestyles do impose upon each other.

Our lifestyles cannot legaly impose upon the rights of others.

Not in the US, anyway.

So, it doesn't matter if you and others in your church want to force prayer into the public schools; it is illegal to do so because it uses the government to impose your religious beliefs upon others.

Similarly, you want to use the government to impose your religious beliefs upon others by defining marriage the way your religion does.


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Message 174 of 313 (378708)
01-21-2007 3:33 PM
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01-21-2007 3:22 PM


Re: The modernity of gay "marriage"
quote:
Oh, but they conjugate, too, which probably feels a lot better.

Bacteria don't feel anything, since they lack a nervous system.

Some advice? Stop trying to be funny.


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Message 177 of 313 (378713)
01-21-2007 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Rob
01-21-2007 3:31 PM


Re: More off topic nonsense and attempt to palm the pea.
quote:
Are you willing to provide that same courtiousy to those who wish to court their pets?

No, because pets cannot give legal consent.

Why is it, Rob, that in your and so many homophobes' minds, adult gay human beings are equivalent to dogs or other non-human animals?


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