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Author Topic:   Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century
Larni
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Message 19 of 313 (377984)
01-19-2007 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rob
01-19-2007 1:26 AM


Re: Descrimination...
scottness writes:

Human beings are heterosexual. I thought you knew that.

Well spotted.

But, other humans are homosexual or bisexual. I thought you knew that.


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Larni
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Message 28 of 313 (378030)
01-19-2007 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Rob
01-19-2007 10:00 AM


Re: ...some of you thought I was just a liar...
I'm honestly sorry to hear about your experience in the past.

However your position is idiotic.

As Jar points out: you concider being gay a sin; maybe in the same league as murder.

This is an idiotic position to take and a personal one.


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Larni
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Message 122 of 313 (378570)
01-21-2007 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Rob
01-20-2007 6:52 PM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
Rob writes:

If there is no eternal Justice (or being) to fear, then there is no reason to expect a Hitler or a Stalin to moderate their position. There is no reason for them to do what is 'right', since right becomes what ever benefits the individual and their desires.

I have no internal concept of eternal justice and very little appreciation of guilt, and yet I have a perfectly good moral compass. I don't think I'm particularly unique in this. The reason that many people do good is because they were rewarded for 'doing good' in their formative years. This leads to an internal reward for such action that is completly divirced from religious concepts.

Do you know anything about psychology? This is basic stuff.

Rob writes:

Well, you're the one who justifies Nazism (by implication) by agreeing with the social darwinism that Hitler explained quite matter-of-factly in his manifesto, 'Mein Kampf'.

What you say here is insulting bullshit. Shame on you.


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Larni
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Message 123 of 313 (378572)
01-21-2007 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Rob
01-21-2007 1:20 AM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
Rob writes:

In fact, I impied that you are ignorant of the logical extensions of your own thinking. You're a puppet of philosophy that is beyond your current capacity to analyze objectively. You are too caught up emotionally and attached to your worldview to see it clearly.

More insulting bullshit, Rob?


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Larni
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Message 135 of 313 (378631)
01-21-2007 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Rob
01-21-2007 11:07 AM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
Psychology has come a long way in 40 years, Rob.

What you may know of as the frustration-agression hypothesis was old before I was born. It has long since been eclipsed by behaviourism and the cognitive behaviourism.

If you know anything about Mower's work you will know that it was derived from a deep disaffection with Freud's work (which all evidence based psychologists- including myself dismiss as arch bollocks) and his own personal "season in Hell" where he suffered multiple depressive episodes.

This, coupled with the fact that his 'Integrity theory' is not used as a frame work for psychological interventions (here in the UK- where the rules of the nhs dictate that an intervention must have evidence of efficacy before it is used) cuases me to wonder what point you are trying to make here.

This is what guilt is:

I do not deserve to be happy.
I am responsible for my family's (spouse's) happiness.
There is only one 'right' way to do things.
It's bad to feel hurt and pain.
My children should never suffer in their childhood like I did in mine.
My kids should have more material things than I did.
It is my fault if others in my life are not happy.
If my kids fail in any way, it's my responsibility.
It is wrong to be concerned about myself.
People are constantly judging me, and their judgment is important to me.
It is important to save face with others.
It is wrong to accept the negative aspects of my life without believing that I am responsible for them myself.
I am responsible if either positive or negative events happen to the members of my family.
I must not enjoy myself during a time when others expect me to be in mourning, grief, or loss.
You must never let down your guard; something you're doing could be evil or wrong.
I must always be responsible, conscientious, and giving to others.
How others perceive me is important as to how I perceive myself.
No matter what I do, I am always wrong.
I should never feel guilt.
If you feel guilt, then you must be or have been wrong.

Pay close attention to the one in bold face. You appear to be maintaing a sense of guilt by your beliefs.

Why pedle such poison?

These modes of thinking (schema) are learnt as we develope. I'v lost count of how many deeply religious people cannot function effectively because of their ingrained (learnt via the gift of a brance of zianity) -Pope I'm looking at you!

Being told there is 'eternal Justice' fucks people up.


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Larni
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Message 137 of 313 (378633)
01-21-2007 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Rob
01-21-2007 11:47 AM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
More C.S Lewis.

Are you so intellectually banckrupt that your position, your 'own thinking' is yet another quote by somebody else!? And irrelevant to the topic, too.

Rob writes:

In a sense He is a photon (the photon); the morning star!

My bold.

I thought the Morning Star was Satan. Bit blasphemous?

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


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Larni
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Message 152 of 313 (378659)
01-21-2007 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Rob
01-21-2007 1:27 PM


Re: our thoughts must be discriminating.
Once more your position is idiotic.

Once more I decline to further participate with you.

It's pointless.


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Larni
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Message 248 of 313 (379150)
01-23-2007 4:02 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by docpotato
01-22-2007 5:40 PM


Re: My excuse for being rational
Nope, it was Lisa's brainiac friend's Father when she could not play the anagram game.

Do I win 5 pounds?

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


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Larni
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Message 249 of 313 (379152)
01-23-2007 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Taz
01-22-2007 9:14 PM


Re: My excuse for being rational
Fine post, that man.

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