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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
That's right, I hate gays, and I am a bigot, thank you.
I guess that anyone who doesn't think like you falls into that category?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
By your acts you will be known. You mean by how you judge my acts I will be known.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
My actions have absolute nothing to do with how others judge you. Your actions include this statement:
It is time for everyone, particularly Christians, to write their Senators and Representatives and show that the Christian Right cults do not speak for all Christians and that hatred and bigotry have no place in the US You have just defined all people who are against same sex marraige as being full of hate, and are bigots. You have voiced you judgement to everyone, which can be misleading since it just isn't true. Your actions have brought hatred against Christians.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Yes, opposing same sex marriage is bigotry. That's your opinion also.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
When taken in context, jar's comment about opposing same sex marriage being bigotry is correct. Sure, but not for everyone.
You can, riVeRraT, be opposed to or disagree with homosexuality and not be a bigot . as jar has said himself, over and over. over, and over?
It's when you want to change our Constitution to deny homosexuals the same rights that others have that you become a bigot. I don't see it that way. If I did, then I would be a bigot.
I'm sorry, but if you support a Constitutional ban on gay marriage, you support bigotry, plain and simple. Like putting gas in a diesel car.
When you support this ban, you step out of the realm of a simple disagreement and into a realm where one group becomes intolerant of those that are different Yes, different. That is why they need there own set of rights, separate from one man, one woman. For their own protection, and ours.example, when to men get divorced, and there is a child involved, who gets to be the mother? And different, I might add, by virtue of be born a certain way. How is that not bigotry? People who murder can be born that way too. Being born a certain way does not automatically give them a right to be that way. I am not comparing gays to murders, just expressing that being born a certain way doesn't give you right to anything, so you can't use that exuse. We are not all born that way. We are however all born human. I have many sexual preferences, should we make all of them legal binding contracts also? Why not, I was born that way? BTW, just to make it clear, I support jar and his opinion, I am not for the hatred, or bigotry.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I never stop being astonished when someone says, with a straight face, "I want them to be equal... just separate." I never said that. How can the same set of rules apply to 2 different things? No matter what happens between nationalities, there will always be differences. This does not make them unequal. One time I wanted to become a union sheet metal worker, I was denied because they said they were only hiring blacks. No matter how hard we try to make things equal, there will always be differences that require special rules to cater to those that need it, so that we may in fact be equal. So, I ask you, when to men get divorced, and there is a child involved, who is the mother?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Stand up, speak out and oppose the bigots that are supporting the hateful I just did.
Oppose the bills trying to declare that marriage is only between a man and a woman. No, I won't. It may be from ignorance, but it certainly isn't from hatred, or bigotry. But it is how I feel, and I am not ashamed. I have tried to come to some kind of resolution with it right here on these forums. I grew up around it, I have family who are, I was always taught that it was equal, but yet I don't feel that way. Apples just ain't oranges. Maybe if they found the gay gene, I might have a change of heart. That's a fact. The challenges that a man and a woman face in a marraige will never be the same as man and man, or woman and woman, that is a fact. If we are going to allow it, then we must allow any kind of marraige whatsoever, as long as all involved parties consent. So I wish to marry my whole block, because I love them, and I want them to have benefits.
It really is that simple riVeRraT. Isn't that obvious by all the difficulties our nation is having with it?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
or is it your view that the mother should always get custody of children in such a situation? regardless of her suitability? Obviously you haven't had the pleasure of experiencing our family court system first hand? I don't care what the rules are, the man just gets treated like shit. So the joke will be on our court system when to men enter the court room. I would pay to see that one.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I have, over and over. Which brings us to circle jerk.
Just because you don't agree with me, or think I am wrong, doesn't make it hatred or bigotry. Your a pretty judgemental guy. By your topic titles you seem to be pointing fingers, similar to people on a pulpit telling me about my sin.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
In either case, it's a bullshit distinction, and boils down to unequal treatment of two groups of the same thing... people. I am sorry dan, but unequal and different just aren't the same words.I love my mother and father equally, but they are different. Please explain how outlawing homosexual marriage will make us all equal. I never said I would outlaw it. I have changed enough through discussions in here that I would be willing to accept a civil union. I have also admitted from a religious standpoint, I feel they should allow it, because it is up to God to judge. I am having a hard time understanding it, I have open conversations with my gay friends about it.
Neither. There are two fathers. The one who can offer the child a better quality of life gets custody. Well, I think that is just not fair for me then.Because I did not get treated that way in my separation. You already received an answer to this question, of course. So I'm not sure why you're re-asking it. I already gave Message 230 an answer.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
you have not explained why it's necessary that someone "Be the mother" in a child custody case. I am explaining why there needs to be separate rules.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Different" schools for blacks and whites are inherently unequal. That is a bad comparison, it really doesn't apply.Black people are born that way, it's a fact. We cannot prove the same for homosexuals, it's a choice. Even if I am wrong about that, there is no need for different schools for blacks and whites, they can all function in the same school.
"Different" categories for the unions of heterosexuals and homosexuals are inherently unequal. Let me rephrase that:"Different" categories for the unions of heterosexuals and homosexuals are inherently different, but equal.
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