Try to keep hatred out of our Constitution.

schrafinator (Gums) writes

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But why else do you reject homosexuality if not through disgust and fear of homosexual behavior?

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Well, many homophobes tend to have homosexual tendencies themselves. The straightest of straight men I know have no problem being kissed on the lips by other men. To them, it has so little affect on them that they just don't care.

Homosexual behavior is sin, and Christians are to put ALL sin out of our lives, of whatever kind. Those who consider themselves homosexuals unable to change, if they are willing to put all homosexual behavior out of their lives, are always welcome in Christian communities.

Homophobia is a purely political category. It doesn't exist. The term originated in psychoanalysis in the case histories of some kinds of paranoia if I recall correctly, and was never applied to normal people until along came the Marxist inspired Gay Liberationists and made it part of their propaganda campaign, and now it's regurgitated PC cant.Or, if you want, let's say it exists in normal people. In which case it is a normal reaction to a perverted condition.Homosexuals often can't help it. There is no Christian hatred of people who find themselves with such feelings. But they are no different from anybody else with strong proclivities to various sins. If they want to practice them that's their business, but they have no right to make the rest of us call it good, right, or normal.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Faith Fortunatley there are christian organizations in the world {Borrow Quick Money – Payday Loans Guide for one example} where homophobia is not the infestation that it is in the USA and these Christian organizations are utterly accepting of the lifestyles of all people. One day it would be good if the word "tolerance" in the North America did not translte into the common venacular as "to put up with" rather than its proper meaning of "to accept the difference of".

Faith, do you use logical fallacies knowingly or unknowingly?

Sorry, but sin is sin and those groups deny Christ who say it isn't. As I said, if people want to practice their sin that's their business, but no genuine Christian group should be required to accept them.Tolerance always meant to put up with, to be kind to, but it always implied disagreement, or what would be the point of the term anyway? We tolerate those we disagree with. That's civilized. Being forced to accept views we disagree with is what is uncivilized.Edit: We are being asked to agree with the current PC cant that homosexuality is normal, right and good, and what's intolerant is the attitude that calls us haters because we will not agree with this. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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What are you going to do when Christians absolutely refuse to obey laws forcing them to accept homosexuals* in their churches

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There won't be any laws forcing any religious body to accept homosexuals.That would violate the constitutional right to freedom of religion.You can discriminate all you want.That's how the Catholic church and other churches can't be sued for not allowing women to become ordained as priests or pastors.Where did you ever get the idea that anyone is interested in passing laws like that?Paranoid much?

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and communities?

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Well, if you discriminate illegaly, then you pay the price of breaking the law, whatever that is.You'll just have to learn to cope, just like the racists did when Jim Crow and school segregation ended, and the sexists did when women won the right to vote, own property, go to university, enter the workplace, etc.Of course, nobody is going to force you to have the married gay couple who lives down the street over for dinner any more than you are forced to have the black or Korean or Muslim or Buddhist couple in your home now, so I can't think of why you are feeling so put upon and jumpy.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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Sorry, but sin is sin and those groups deny Christ who say it isn't.

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Of course you, Faith, are the arbiter of all that is Christian.All fall prostrate before Faith!!

When it comes to knowing what sin is according to the Bible, yes I am, and so is every other Christian who knows and trusts the Bible. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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When it comes to knowing what sin is according to the Bible, yes I am, and so is every other Christian who knows and trusts the Bible.

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Isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins, Faith?

Yes, at least according to Catholicism, but knowing I am one of the priesthood of believers is not pride.

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knowing I am one of the priesthood of believers is not pride.

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But believing oneself to have perfect knowledge is very prideful.Now, I'd love a reply to message 142, if you'd be so kind.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

Oh well, I do claim the "perfect knowledge" that homosexual behavior is sin. I can show you where it's written too.There's little to say to your post #142. I guess you believe it won't come to that. But it already has here and there, the attempt to force a church to accept gays as employees some years ago as I recall. The insistent attitude, expressed at evc for instance, that the church's position is "intolerance" and a violation of civil rights could well lead to such legal measures.Edit: And a case in Australia where a pastor was arrested for preaching that homosexual behavior is sin. Australia isn't the US but hey, getting close. Edit: Oh I guess it was Sweden. But I thought I heard something about Australia too.Maybe we could have a bet.Edit: Oh, and yes we'll cope if the law goes against us. Laws that directly oppose God must be broken. Time for civil disobedience in that case, to sit in jail if necessary, or disband the churches and go underground the way the churches are in all the other pagan places around the world where they persecute Christians, like China.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : typoEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No Christian group, or any other private group is being asked to accept "them". If your church wants to remain intolerant and not perform same sex marriages, it would not have to do so. No, you are not being asked to believe that homosexuality is right and good. You are free to hold any beliefs you want. All you are being asked to do is to stop discriminating against homosexuals in the legal and contractual aspects of life.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

If you are talking about gay marriage, it certainly looks like that is coming, and all that is going to do is contribute to the chaos and the deterioration of the culture, it won't impinge on Christians in any direct way that I know of. But if it does, the fact is that it is they and you who are discriminating against Christians -- and against God -- and if it impinges on Christian life, we discriminate.