Discovery or Ignorance: The Choice Is yours?

Again you have the cart before the horse.Theories provide the means whereby things are proven, thereby becoming facts. Once we know the proven facts to a high degree of accuracy, they have meaning and can become useful in all manner of creative endeavours for the good of mankind.

It's simply being able to "prove" to a high degree of accuracy that life can evolve over billions of years from the spark that supposedly started the life process to millions of different fully developed life creatures.Saying that the start-to-finish evolutionary model has been proven is easy.Proving it has not nor ever will be done.This is why the start-to-finish evolutionary model is not true science.

Intelligent Design is simply understanding that all creatures, uncluding man, were created fully developed after their own kind, and did not evolve over millions/billions of years from a single spark of life.

In the meantime we do quite well applying the truths and absolutes that have been proven by science to a high degree of accuracy.Glad you are open to the fact that there possibly are some truths and absolutes in the natural world. What would it take to really convince you that there really are truths and absolutes in the natural world, and maybe in the spiritual world as well?

Yes, I've considered the possibilities you describe above, but it goes against the revelation the God I know has given to us which says all creatures were created "after their own kind.".When one rejects the revelation God has given to us, then anything goes, including the speculative evolutionary model that says God may have created life that evolves.I believe created creatures can and do adapt to their environment over time, but they still remain relatively unchanged within their own species, and do not mutate or evolve into different species. The evolutionary model has never proven this, nor ever will.

OK, show me the evolutionary model "that has been proven" to a high degree of accuracy from start-to-finish that produces at least one fully developed creature species that then evolves into all the other fully developed creature species.

(1) The same way man creates and engineers anything man does. The difference is that man has to start with the ingredients God has already made.God envisioned the creation of a universe, placing a sun with an earth 93 million miles from it, the perfect eliptical distance for the creation of seasons, not too hot or cold where He could create various life forms for His pleasure, with a moon revolving around the earth creating the tides, with the earth rotating every 24 hours creating night and day for the earth's inhabitants, with an atmosphere that protects us from the harmful sun's rays, providing wind, rain and oceans for watering this good earth.(2) "Kind" simply means God created each creature species after their own species.(3) The "spark of life" is a term used by some to explain how life either came to this earth to begin the evolutionary life process, or somehow self-started itself on the earth.PS - I noticed you did'nt ask why?

Very true! But there are parts that should be interpreted literally when confirmed by other scriptures.Blessings

I'm afraid if you are not convinced by the truth of Psalms 19:1, then whatever else I can say would be futile.Edited by John 10:10, : added quote

Because scripture is the best interpretation of scripture. If there is no other scripture to explain scripture, then we only know in part.BlessingsEdited by John 10:10, : added "only" to last sentence

Big difference between proving fission in the 1930's and proving evolution has occurred over billion of years.

Yes, I have shown how science discovered and proved in the 1930's that uranium atoms are fissioned, splitting into lighter weight elements.Do you have any proven verifiable evidence that the speculations of the evloutionary model actually occurs, producing species after species, starting from single cells to fully developed creatures?If not, then it is you not I that doesn't know what science really is.

I wasn't responding to you, but since you asked, here goes.The Scriptures simply say certain people "walked with God." To me this means their hearts were open to the God who created them, and the God who created them responded in like measure. If you want to know the details of how these people "walked with God," you will have to wait and ask them in the resurrection, if you get there.

My religious views have nothing to do with my belief in and the proof offered by true science.The problem lies in your belief that the study of the evolutionary start-to-finish model has resulted in proven true science, rather than speculations of how the start-to-finish model has occurred. Most at this ECV forum don't even believe that science can prove anything to any degree of accuracy.

Pure and simple, my enemy is the belief that you think the speculations of evolution make for real science.My God can take care of Himself quite well!