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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
There are things that have not been observed, tested or reproduced but is accepted as a fact. No one has been around the billions of years it would take to observe a water creature become a land creature or a land creature become a water creature. Neither has it been reproduced. No one has observed some creature parenting offspring that evolved into apes on one side of the family and humans on the other side of the family. Neither has this been reproduced. There is a lot of speculation concerning these events but they have not been observed, tested or reproduced. They have been claimed to have been tested, observed and reproduced.But claiming something does not make it so. If I am not mistaken this is the point John 10:10 is trying to make. Finally someone understands what I'm saying, but it seems to take another Believer in our creator God to do so. Blessings
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
So we can observe the past, just as directly as we do most things in life. We can arrive at a degree of certainty so high that, while less than 100%, is still higher than for most things we would all be comfortable with calling "fact" Everyone is entitled to their own set of opinions, but not to their own set of facts. Facts are things that have been proven to be correct to a very high degree of accuracy. Connecting certion observations together into what is called the evolutionary model are not proven facts, no matter how much evolutionists wish it to be so.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Of course not. Like all things in science, evolution is the result of the observational process and as such, it is never declared to be so with 100% knowledge. We might have it 100% right, but we'll never know for sure because we can only make observations and it is impossible to observe everything. Exactly! In fact evolution is not really science at all. It's basically a theory about how life began and progressed to where we are today without a Creator. Many evolutionists state this up front by saying they do not want there to be a Creator God like that.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
You are probably right that they were not doing research because if they had been they could have prevented those disasters rather than research it for the last 20 years. I've answered this before, but I'll answer it again. Sometimes we can't prevent man from deliberately doing some very stupid things, like overriding safety systems specifically designed to protect nuclear power plants from destroying themselves. Now we have more checks and balances that would prevent operators from making these kinds of mistakes. New nuclear power plants that can be built today are what is called "passively safe." Passively-safe reactor designs use natural forces such as gravity or convection to replace multiple pumps, pipes and valves for supplying cooling water to the reactor in the event of an accident. But this again could possibly be overriden by operators choosing to do otherwise. Blessings
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
OK, I'll bite. If endogenous retroviruses are the legacy of Adam and Eve, why are the very same ERV's present in chimps? The key is not "mutate and survive," but be "reborn and live eternally in a resurrection body." The legacy that is our as a result of Adam & Eve has affected all of God's creatures, not just man.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Face it, there is a huge amount of scientific evidence for the theory of evolution, but no scientific evidence for creationism. Correction! There is a hugh amount of speculation for the theory of evolution, but no scientific evidence proven by scientific testing from start to finish for the evolutionary model. Big difference!
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
So there you go. The evolutionary model from start to finish. Right in front of your eyes using materials and techniques sufficiently simple enough for a 10th-grader to do. And a fully developed man pops out, right?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Science studies the past by examining the evidence left behind. You are free to discount scientific study of the past if it disagrees with your minority religious view, that's your right. You are also free to believe that if an event cannot be observed real time, it can't be studied scientifically. The good thing is that your believing it won't stop science from studying it. It will just interfere with your ability to learn. So long as you don't try to prevent others from learning, you're the only one who suffers there. Yes, science studies the past, and then "proves" what happened in the past has resulted in what we see today. I must sound like a broken record, but some here can't quite understand this. The evolutionary model has not nor ever be proven; therefore, it's nothing more than wishful thinking by those who don't want there to be creator God as the reason why we exist. It's as simple and as difficult as that!
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Facts are pretty much as you describe them. Beyond that you are totally incorrect when it comes to the scientific method. I don't know what you think the "scientific method" is, but it's simply discovering/proving how things are or came to be as they are. The evolutionary model can in no way, shape or form be called the "scientific method" because it cannot do this.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Why would God make things look so very much as though they had evolved? Why would a supposedly loving God lie to us? All plants and animals have the same Creator. It's your belief that they evolved and were not created, not mine.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
The best part is I will not have to do any more research, no more weeks in the field studying insects, no more trying to puzzle out their life histories, or trying to figure out their taxonomy. If I have a question all I have to do is ask you. You know everything. I am your unworthy but adoring fan. What part of "discovering/proving how things are or came to be as they are" do you not understand?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
What part of "science isn't about proving" do you not understand? The science that I know is all about discovering/proving things are as they are or how they came to be as they are. Scientists who spend their time dealing with speculations, such as the evolutionary model, are just wasting their time. The scientists who spend and have spent their time discovering/proving things are as they are or how they came to be as they are are the true scientists who have discovered something that mankind can then use for the good of all. Scientists who have discovered/proved the truths of God's creation can then work with builders, engineers, doctors, farmers, etc. to take this knowledge and create all manner of wonders for medicine, industries, energy production, farming, etc. Show us one thing the so-called evolutionary science start-to-finish model has done for mankind, other than to turn people away from seeking our creator God?
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
I don't know what you think the "scientific method" is, but it's simply discovering/proving how things are or came to be as they are. Using this method of yours how do we discover anything new? Can you decsribe the process for me as I am having trouble understanding? OK, let's consider the fission of atoms. While investigating uranium, Fermi and his colleagues in 1934 bombarded unranium with neutrons and found interesting results that were not correctly interpreted until several years later by Frisch & Meitner in 1938. Once they discovered/proved that unranium bombarded by neutrons had been transformed into different elements, they knew the uranium atom was splitting into lighter weight elements as result of neutron bombardment. From this discovery/proof of the way unranium reacts to neutron bombardment, the Manhatten Project developed nuclear bombs which ended WWII, and nuclear fission has been engineered to power ships and commercial power plants. The evolutionist's problem with not understanding what the scientific method really is lies with wanting to apply it to the evolutionary start-to-finish model, when in fact it never can be.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
The mere fact that you are unable to understand that science isn't about proving tells me that there's little point in trying to explain anything to you. Science is not about proof because all of science is tentative. There is absolutely nothing that science has discovered that may not be completely discarded tomorrow if new evidence is found disproving what science previously understood to be true. The bottom line is this: There are a number of truths and absolutes in this world that can be scientifically proven and will not change. You want to live in a world where there are no truths or absolutes. That's not the kind of world God created.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3026 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Do you believe that you are impervious to error? No, I'm not impervoius to error. But I do know Him who is the ultimate truth, my Creator. I have as much unfettered access to my Creator as I'm willing to dilligently search for, and He's willing to reveal of Himself and of His creation.
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