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John 10:10
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Message 398 of 402 (474659)
07-10-2008 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 370 by Coyote
07-09-2008 2:31 PM


Re: This is the Science Forum; do science
The theory of evolution is a scientific theory. That has been explained to you a dozen or more times on this thread.
The following quotes go much further than explaining the ToE as just a theory:
The evolutionary model is just such a thing. It is supported by so much evidence that it has an extremely high probability of being true.
I can show you conclusive evidence that you descend from a common ancestor with the chimps, John. Do you want to see it, or does that frighten your cowardly soul?
Well, Douglas Theobald has compiled a list of the ways in which the theory of evolution has been tested with results that are replicated again and again. My favorite test is how whenever anyone constructs a phylogenic tree, the essentially repeat the same pattern that everyone else gets.
Face it, there is a huge amount of scientific evidence for the theory of evolution, but no scientific evidence for creationism.
However, the ToE has been tested as fully as any other scientific theory, I repeat, as fully tested as any other scientific theory. There is no description that you can provide of science as it is actually done by scientists in the real world that would exclude the ToE.
If you want the evidence for the evolution of humans, you go to the fossil record because it's all there.
Evolution is both a fact AND a theory. That's why it's called the theory OF evolution. You cannot have a theory without a fact to base it upon.
And why do you think this hasn't been accomplished? What is it about the fossil record that you claim is insufficient? What is it about the molecular phylogenetic tree that you claim is insufficient? What is it about our direct observation of evolutionary events such as speciation right in front of our eyes that you claim is insufficient?
EVOLUTION = FACT & THEORY
In short -
Evolution is a FACT.
We observe evolution.
And,
the Theory of Evolution is the EXPLANATION, or model, for the observed facts of evolution.
The ToE has been "proven" to a high degree of accuracy, which makes it a "fact" by your own standard. Molecular phylogeny mapping to morphological phylogeny, mapping said phylogenies to the stratigraphic fossil order of appearance, the fossil record, biogeography, & palaeontology off the top of my head all point to evolution. Unless you live in a world of coincidence, in which case we can dismiss every single scientific conclusion as pure luck.
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and can be proven to a high degree of accuracy within the time frame in which we live.
Indeed. That's why the theory of evolution is the fundamental theorem of all biology. Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
But the fossil record, the molecular phylogenetic tree, the stratigraphy, etc., they all show the start-to-finish of evolution and show that spontaneous generation "after their own kind" is false.
What they say is that evolution is a fact. It has been observed, both in nature and in the lab. In real time. It has happened. Evolution is, at it's most basic, descent with modification. This means that daughter populations will differ from parent populations, and environmental pressures will affect which of those changes will be more likely to be passed on.

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