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Author Topic:   'Some still living' disproves literal truth of the bible
BKE
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Message 130 of 479 (558530)
05-02-2010 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Peepul
10-12-2009 1:29 PM


"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Maybe this is a message for Judas and any other followers looking to cash in on their association with Jesus - and maybe the 2nd death is the death they alone will "taste" for being ashamed of the son of man. If the others were faithful till the end they would not share this fate.
Scripture reports Peter was restored and forgiven, but Judas was not so fortunate.

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BKE
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Message 245 of 479 (562448)
05-28-2010 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by gragbarder
05-06-2010 10:30 PM


Re: Death = Second Death fails
You say:
Nope, the "Second death" attempt fails too.
1) It involves changing what the Bible says. Jesus didn’t say anything about a second death in the passage.
Here is a reference - (Jesus mentions judgement and resurrection also so this is no stretch):
"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power." Revelation 20:6
2) If for the sake of argument we temporarily accept that Jesus meant a second death to see if that holds, it doesn’t.
No need to for sake of arguement - see the response to #1.
a. That change would mean that Jesus was saying that SOME of those DISCIPLES standing there with Him would be going to suffer the second death. That’s not consistent with the rest of the New Testament in which only ONE DISCIPLE (Judas Iscariot) would have suffered a second death.
Peter was sifted like wheat and except for Jesus' restoration and forgiveness would have suffered the same fate as Judas. I say at the time Jesus spoke in the verses that started this thread, Peter's fate was very much in doubt - later we here Jesus respond:
"Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren." And he said, "Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death." He said, "I tell you, Peter, the cock will not crow this day, until you three times deny that you know me."
Sorry, but your understanding of my post=fail

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BKE
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Message 248 of 479 (562556)
05-30-2010 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by gragbarder
05-29-2010 7:48 PM


Re: Death = Second Death fails
you are just repeating yourself - to which I reply - re read my post.
I did like this part though:
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Gragbarder:
Nope, the "Second death" attempt fails too.
1) It involves changing what the Bible says. Jesus didn’t say anything about a second death IN THE PASSAGE.
It does not say they had lunch or dinner either in the passage - I guess these could not happen ever either.

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