'Some still living' disproves literal truth of the bible

the 3 apostles who witnessed the transfiguration also had a preview of Jesus in the kingdom. The words of the above scripture came 6 days before the tranfiguration.
According to Lukes account the tranfiguration was as follows This was a confirmation of the power that Jesus would recieve as head of the Kingdom of God. So the apostles who witnessed this, did see Jesus in kingdom glory before they died...they saw it as a vision accompanied with a verbal confirmation by God.However it does have a greater fulfillment in the last days because there will be many who will not die before they see Jesus Kingdom go into action and restore the earth to its original purpose.

that would be nice, but the 2nd comming is described as Jesus coming with his powerful angels to execute judgementthe church is not here to exectut judgement. Its here to direct people to that Kingdom so that when that Kingdom arrives, people are behaving in a manner that warrents divine favor.

do you think the worlds governments and mobstars and multinational corporations are going to let this happen?and do you think that the whole world are going to be converted to the kingdom of God???

Hi EMA, is there any particular reason why you doubt the transfiguration could be the fulfillment of Jesus words?I only ask because the Apostle Peter indicated that the transfiguration was a significant event linked with his rulership in Gods kingdom.
Peter testifies to the transfiguration at 2Peter 1:16-18 & 1Peter 4:17 Peter here says that he was an eyewitness to the 'power and presence' of the Lord and to the 'glory and magnificence' that he received from God.

he does directly mention the kingdom in vs 11 of 2 Peter chpt 1.The letter he wrote was to christians, he instructed them to supply virtue to their faith because if they do they will be assured of "entrance into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." and then he goes on to remind them that their faith on this kingdom is not based on "artfully contrived false stories" but rather on the testimony of Peter who had " become eyewitnesses of his magnificence" when they were "with him in the holy mountain"so Peters words in no way indicate that it was Jesus baptism he was discussing. Jesus was not baptised in the 'mountain' but in the jordan river. Besides that, the only eyewitness to Jesus baptism was John the baptist. if the church is the kingdom, then we are in trouble lol

which church are we refering to here? There are thousands of different denominations, so is the kingdom associated with all of them or just one of them?And if God is going to use one of these church's, it would have to be above reproach with regard to how it administers christianity. For instance, it would have to be morally clean for a start. It would also have to imitate the christianity that Christ established in the first century.
It would have to be clean of all false religious doctrines, philosphical ideas, political affiliation, money making rackets etc etc etcDo you think its possible that a perfect Kingdom of God could ever be adequately administered by imperfect humans???Personally, I dont, and for this reason i dont think the kingdom of God could be administered by any church, including my own.

which one is christs church? is it the church of England, or the catholics, or the united church, or the lutherans, or the greek orthodox, or the roman orthodox, or the roman catholic, or the protestants....You are speaking about the 'church of christ' and Im asking you which church you would point to as the one who is 'christs church'?Also, when you speak about 'the body of christ' are you talking about 'all' christians, or a particular group of christians? I ask this because the NT speaks a lot about the 'body of christ' and my understanding is that it is in regard to the 'annointed' christians only. But you may have something else in mind.before i reply to the rest of your post, i just want to understand what you are specifically refering to

there was only one church in Jesus day too and he was very clear that, following the wrong religion could be detrimental According to Jesus, there was only one avenue to God and salvation. If a christian church fails to teach people all the requirements set our by Jesus, then they are not going to help anyoneperhaps i should ask you why you think Jesus made such a dramatic statement?

im not talking about individuals here, im talking about the adminstration of christianity.You havnt commented on why Jesus said
Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens"Surely his words should be taken seriously? If we do take them seriously we would be obliged to scrutinize our religons and our religous leaders. If we dont, then perhaps we will unwittingly fall into the category of people who are being 'prevented from entering the kingdom of God' because our religous leaders are misleading us by failing to uphold the teachings and standards that Jesus and the apostles upheld.

Hi ICANT,thats a fine rundown Good, so by this then we should be able to determine which of the many thousands of christian church's are actually teaching what Jesus taught. Right, so now we get to the crux of the matter. The standards and form of christianity as set out in the NT should be the basis for testing if a christian church is a true church or not.I think we've taken this offtopic now, but a thread on the NT criteria would be a good idea at this point. If you have any suggestions on what that criteria is, and if you have time, perhaps you could join in a new thread?

Hi ICANT, why do you think its going to be a physical rule?Why cant it be a rulership from heaven?

Hi deerbreh not reallyYour argument about the return of christ is to say that it becomes a reality in 'the church'as there are many church's all claiming to be christian, I asked you which specific church you had in mind...if your claim is that Jesus kingship is displayed in 'the church' then my question as to which church is pertintent to you argument.My further question about why Jesus said "Not Everyone saying Lord Lord" is also pertintent to your arguement because his own words show that not all who claim to be christian would have his approval thus ruling out some churchs' from being the representation of Jesus in his kingdom. If you dont want to address this, then perhaps we shouldnt speculate that Jesus kingdom is present on earth in the form of 'the chruch' Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

Hi EMA if you have a greek translation of Acts, you will see that the original does not use the word 'church' in this verse. Your translation of bible obviously does, but this is not found in Peters writing...what he says is Vs 47 "praising God and giving the good will of all the people. And day by day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved" The Lord was adding to 'their number'this means these new diciples were added to the current group of diciples...not to any church because at that time in their history, there was no 'church'So if it could be said (colosians) that people were being bought into the 'kingdom', it obviously wasnt dependent upon the existence of any church. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

I dont agree. the use of the word 'church' is misleading and inaccurate.
the Greek word is ekklesia, or in english ecclesia
It comes from two Greek words, ek, meaning 'out' and kaleo meaning 'call'
So you are partly correct that it means a group of persons called out or called together but the greek word is not translated as 'church' but rather 'congregation' or 'assembly'Get yourself a greek interlinear and you'll see thats all well and good so long as the translator isnt the one deciding what the context is and basing it on his pre concieved ideas. i agreebut to say that the kingdom will come by means of the 'church' implies exactly that. the Apostle Paul explained it in Ephesians 2:19
19Certainly, therefore, YOU (new diciples) are no longer strangers and alien residents, but YOU are fellow citizens of the holy ones (apostles) and are members of the household of God, 20and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. 21In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. 22In union with him YOU, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spiritThe congregation was a spiritual 'church', not a physical one. yes it does matter because many people think of a church as a building for religious services rather than a congregation engaging in worship. Its misleading. I dont see anywhere in that verse where Paul mentions a church. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but of righteouness, peace and joy in the Holy SpiritPerhaps you are linking the kingdom of God with a church, but the apostle did not link it with a church.