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Author Topic:   Something BIG is coming! (AIG trying to build full sized ark)
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Message 9 of 261 (594263)
12-02-2010 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AlphaOmegakid
12-02-2010 7:06 PM


Authentic thehonogly from the bronze age or new age steel?

If they use wood it will colapse before it will be built, unless they cut some cornerrs and use "guled beams" "new" age technology where you glue boards together to make a beam of any with and lenght you like stronger and more fleksible than a simple cut beam. And i hope they do not use sawed beams also relativly new age 1800 , in those days a beam would be choped out of a log by an axe not something moste people know how to do now days because if you do not know where to chop the beam will bend drasticly depending on its growth, though they are a bit stronger then normal sawed beams.

And they should use boards that where split not sawed also an old age method few know how to do now days the split boards are stronger then the sawed ones because they split with the grain, in sawed boards the grain gets cut decreasing its strainght.

The gratest problem will be the "backbone" of the ship usualy wooden ships used a bent beam that ran along the bottom of the whole ship this will be impossible here do to the lenght, and if the place they joint 2 beams together isent secured and it gives way the whole ship will colapse.
I would join them with 3 metal plates a few metters long though in this case that would be cheating. and i still doubt it would work well enough given the size of the ark the backbone with and hight would haveto be HUGE so it could handle the stress of holding the ship together not to mention waves of any sort, witch would be hard to make autenicly to get a 25X25cm beam the log has to have a diameter of 35 cm on the thin side and anything below 150X150 cm would snap like a twig on construction of the ship lets not talk about sailing. Lets not talk about the problem that the more with the log has the lesser quality the wood has. Or where one would find enough at least 2 meter diameter logs of the right lenght and right typ of wood.

And if they do manage to build it they should have an experiment of how many animals they could fit inside, how much time would it take to care for them, and most importantly how much time would it take to showel a days worth of Sh%$ trough that one window.

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Message 24 of 261 (594348)
12-03-2010 4:50 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by bluescat48
12-03-2010 1:29 AM


Re: Fantasy and Make Believe are fun
Well the largest wooden ship ever to be made as fare as i can find was the Rochambeau 115.0 m X 22.2 m. The ship was scraped preatty soon, It had seaworthines probblems (probably leaking a whole lot) and she was not particulary stable Duh Wood bends.

And to build it they used a lot of steel, something the noas arc cannot have, and this ship only made one vojage.

Im actualy suprised they could make a ship this big with wood, steel or no steel, tough this ship shows that a larger wooden ship like the ark 137m X 23m is impossible to build withouth steel and is imposible to make seaworthy. At the verry least the wood warping would cause it to leak drasticly and it would sink.

And all the "smaller" ships that tried to be the biggesd wooden ship had the same problems and usualy sank, and all leaked.

Like the Baron of Renfrew for example i think this one was almost all wooden a disposable ship used to cut the cost of tax on wood imported to europe from america (the hull couuld not be taxed) whit a full load of 9000 T (cargo and the ship) it broke apart trying to reach europe its size 92.7 meters X 18.6 meters. Parts of it where found on the French coast though none of the crew survived.

So i guess they may be able to build it tough it would NEVER be seaworthy.

In the first poste i imagined that the arc had to be loads bigger so it could hold enough food and animals tough god was probably supplying the grain and used some magic to make it bigger on the inside so it could hold all the critters. And he suplied a magic acuarium too so all the fresh wather and sea watter fish could survive the dilution or salination of the watter they where used to. And ofcourse a terrarium for every plant form known to man even weeds they would die under watter.


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Message 31 of 261 (594391)
12-03-2010 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Theodoric
12-03-2010 10:24 AM


Re: Lost technology
Creos will just claim that Noah used a technology that was lost in the flood. We have seen that argument on this forum already.

Why shure god told him how to make tempered steal and even provided him with a forge. And all this time we tought the ark was wooden.


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Message 34 of 261 (594413)
12-03-2010 11:46 AM
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12-03-2010 10:39 AM


Re: Lost technology
There are fare to many problems with the ark storry for it to be true.

Wooden boats of that size do Leak like hell and haveto pupm water out constantly

Steel was not availible at the time and the quoantity one would need is far to much for 8 people to mine, melt, shape, and build in to the ship.

One could not fit all those animals in a boat that big to little room.
And one would need a whole much more food on board then the waight of the animals if you want to feed them.
And lots more water so no one dihydrates, the surrounding water would be salty and bad to drink.

One would also haveto take all species of fish on board because fresh water fish do not like salt in their water and salt water fish need enough salt in the water or they die.

One would also need every form of plant on the boat or at least the seeds Plants under water have a tough time surviving whitout light.

And when the flood would be over the animals would haveto find boats and go to their designated continents. All kengurus and simmilar would take one boat to australia, the polar bares pingunis and the like would take one to the arktic, girrafes, lions, and the like would go to africa ......


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Message 39 of 261 (594475)
12-03-2010 2:40 PM
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12-03-2010 1:49 PM


Re: Lost technology
The earliest iron finds date 1800 bce in india And i doubt they where making huge metal plates for the hull or I beams for support. And it was an expensive metal at the time found in jewlery.

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Message 41 of 261 (594491)
12-03-2010 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by ringo
12-03-2010 3:12 PM


Re: Lost technology
Who do you think the creationists are going to believe? The Bible or your history and archaelology?

Yea it is like talking to a wall with them.


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Message 51 of 261 (595115)
12-06-2010 4:36 PM
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12-06-2010 3:29 PM


Re: The humor continues.
Am I the only one that absolutely spit coffee (a really nice Brazilian at that) all over my keyboard when I read the bolded part?

Something like theses only 10 times or more bigger sure any bronze age man could build one on his own. And there would be no leakage and there would be more then enough space for all the animals and the structure could easily support the load of the animals, the food for the animals the water for the animals, and 8 people too and do to its superior design those 8 people could easily feed all the animals and shovel all the shit out the one window on top.


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Message 59 of 261 (595353)
12-08-2010 8:25 AM


I have been giving this some thought

If i where god and i wanted to flood the world, and have some things survive.

1. the easiest way would be that i would send Noa and the animals on a field trip to the Himalayas, flood everything below and if any human would try to climb to safety id fry his ass with lightning.

2. The second easiest way i would use my godly powers to create a dome over some unpopulated spot and let Noa and the animals in. Much easier and much more practical since i could make the dome as large as reserves are no hard work of feeding the animals.....

3. If i relay wanted to use a ship i would transport a cargo ship from the future for Noa to use.

4. If i relay wanted to complicate matters, and make noa sweat from work i would give him a ship design that he could use with the limited technology he had.

A box like shape
The whole flore made of beams, then huge amounts of tar and a noter row of beams orientated in the opposite direction.

The beams that would be vertical would be held in place by copper nails and i would make the flors as low as possible so more structural support would go to the sides every flor would be made of beams and every flor would have an opposite orientation.

The walls would then be planked from both sides of the beams and when they would be built to the top huge amounts of molten tar would be poured in the space between the planks to make a seal so the ship would not leak.

If the boat where made this way it might have a chance of surviving in a year long flood.

Tough i have no idea how i would solve the feeding problem, the drinking water problem, the fish problem, the plant problem, the space problem (the ship would have the volume of a little less then average size of a tree multiplied by an average size of a tree multiplied by an average size of a tree.)


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Message 62 of 261 (595418)
12-08-2010 2:55 PM
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12-08-2010 8:42 AM


But why would an all-powerful being (and you) require a flood to 'reset' the Earth?

Well if i felt in the mood for a flood, the easiest way would be a 100% lethal virus that would kill off all humans except the 8 i choose.

And of course the easiest way i snap my fingers and everyone except Noa dies. Way better then a flood or virus and all the innocent soulless and "tested" animals get to live.


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Message 94 of 261 (612827)
04-19-2011 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by MiguelG
04-19-2011 1:42 AM


Re: Flotation of the Ark
I think I once heard a creationist argument about Noah teaching the animals to defecate on command?
That one was truly bizarre.

Hahah "Dumbo hold it in!!!!! im getting the wheelbarrow. Ok stop now the wheelbarrow is full wait so i can empty it."

I would not want to be an animal on that boat.

Seriusly though no creationist that thought about the poop, or feeding problem of the ship has any animals. I have 4 horses and you would not imagine the amount of hay i need to store for the winter. during the summertime they graze outside. for the winter i need around nineteen 500 kilo dry bails of hay, and the winter lasts for up to 4 months max, fo for a full year you would need 57 bails of dry hay or 30 tones of hay for 4 horse size animals. and yes all of that hay turns to poop and cause it is wetter then before it is eaten it is at least 10 tones heavier so you get to shuffle 40 tones of poop in one year out the one window up top for 4 horse sized animals. Not much on a day lie basis 100 kilos or around my weight per day but only for 4 horsesized animals.

using all their magic and using their magical KINDS of animals (whatever a kind actually is) some creationists say you would not need millions of animals on the boat but only around 4000 and if we magically crunch the numbers down to say the 4000 animals amount to only 400 horse sized animals. that is still 10 tones of crap per day, that have to be hauled up the stairs to that SINGLE window up top and thrown overboard. And the amount of hay you would need to feed them in one year would not fit on the boat. ignoring the whole watter supply you would need.


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Message 97 of 261 (612841)
04-19-2011 9:08 AM
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04-19-2011 6:43 AM


Re: Flotation of the Ark
I know it is off topic and i dont care i had to post this. (the pink unicorn commanded me to spreed the word )

After having a laugh at your apologist mode i Googled robots in the bible

Actually I believe there is a passage that foretells a future supercomputer, which will be downloaded with the personality of the Beast - the Antichrist; and it will have power to speak, and be used to exercise power over all who follow the Beast.......

Where it says "he was given power to breath to the image of the Beast"; the word breath in the Greek could also be rendered "spirit". I believe this will be a supercomputer which will seem to have personality, only be far faster in computing speed and more knowledgeable than any human being.

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2010092802...

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Message 150 of 261 (613427)
04-25-2011 8:58 AM


If i where building an arc that would have to hold tones of animals and only had bronze age technology id adjust gods plan for the arc a little.

I would build it the way you make a barrel the only thing different is the way the 2 would function the barrel has metal rims around it too combat the force the liquid inside exerts, my arc would be built to combat the force the water outside exerts wanting to come in.

and i dont think i would need any "modern" technology and i think i would be able to build it quite large.

first the floor 2 rows(floors) of beams stretching from the left to the right of the arc one on top of the other and having (dunno the English word for it the same thing flooring has that makes one side fit in to the other side of the next piece) and the 2 rows(floors) would also have these things to fit one row on to the other. so the floor would be leak proof the more the wood would be saturated with watter the more it would get leak proof.

The walls around the floor would be made using the same method and using only beams because i think planks would fail big time.

The other floors would not only have beams stretching from left to right but between 2 beams some would stretch diagonally and square on to those beams creating lots of strong triangles able to combat the forces that would be exerted on the ship.

The same tridiagonal shape would be implemented "where possible" on the supports that hold the floors up sure not pretty and allot of headaches for the people hitting their heads on those diagonal beams inside but very effective in terms of straight.

the roof could probably be made out of thicker planks and a simple 4 sided roof covering the whole top and attached to the sides

a ship like that could probably survive the flood and most probably would not leak picture it like a wooden barrel cut in half (between the bottom and top) and then sealed from above.

With god keeping hurricanes away from the ship it would have a chance. If not it stands a chance of turning over not a very good prospect for all the ones living inside but it would still float.


    
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Message 181 of 261 (621331)
06-25-2011 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by ZenMonkey
04-28-2011 7:53 PM


Re: That boat won't float ... really ?
God sent aliens to transport noas ark in to their ships holodeck, where they simulated a flood while transporting noa to a new planet earth because the last one was going to be destroyed.

When they got here they also planted fossils of pre humans to not make this so obvious. They just lacked the technology to make the world apheare to have suffered a worldwide flood.


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Message 189 of 261 (622472)
07-03-2011 4:24 PM
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06-27-2011 12:04 PM


Re: That boat won't float ... really ?
Found the solution Transdimentionalengineering

He had enough room to store all the food he wanted and he could just dumb the shit down to a noter larger room simple.


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