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Hi GDR, Could you show me where the text says Jehu is being or going to be punished for anything?from Hosea 1:

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4 And the LORD said to him, "Name him Jezreel ; for yet a little while, and I will punish the house of Jehu for the bloodshed of Jezreel, and I will put an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel. 5 "On that day I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel."

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Agreed.But at the time Hosea is talking about God is preserving a particular people whom the messiah would come through so we could benefit from having God in a flesh body to be our sacrifice to restore us to the kind of a relationship the first man had in the Garden before he chose to disobey God's direct command.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, But being saved by grace does not make you a christian.It just makes you a born again child of the King who is unworthy of being saved by the grace of God.I have been saved by the grace of God for 62 years and I still don't consider myself a christian.To be a christian is to be living a life like Christ did. I don't measure up to that yet, I am still working on it and He is still working on me.

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Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

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It doesn't seem to indicate that they called themselves Christians. But that they were called Christians by the people of the world. As I understand it they were called little Cristos's. The word Christian was used by Agrippa telling Paul that he had almost presuaded him to be a Christian, and by Peter talking about suffering as a Christian.My definition of a Christian is someone who is living a life like Christ did. He was perfect I can't be perfect yet, and I haven't met anyone in person that is perfect.God Bless, Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Hi GM, Why would Paul be making a major mistake. He would be in good company with Abraham and Jesus.Abraham was a lot closer to Moses than Paul was and he said:

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Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

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Jesus is the one who is saying what Abraham said so He also believes Moses wrote the Torah, as He is the one that gave it to Moses.If Jesus believed Moses wrote the Torah, that is good enough for me.You have your privilege of believing whatever you desire too.God Bless,

Hi GDR, Why would it have been difficult for Moses to write of his death.He was fortold he was not going to enter the promised land because he had disobeyed God by smiting the rock instead of speaking to the rock as instructed.He wrote a song the day he died and finished the book of the law according to the text.God Bless,

That makes no sense to me. Grace does not require worth. It is a gift from God.I'm not going to debate the definition of Christian. I have no problem with your definition, but it does not affect the point I was making with DB. If you have no faith, you are not saved, and in such a case, doing good works doesn't make you a Christian, just a good man. So no one is living a life like Christ did, and thus there are no Christians. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

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This says nothing about authorship. What says that this statement isn't about the content of the scriptures rather than the authorship?

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Hi NoNukes, If that was the case then why didn't Jesus say Abraham said, "Law and Prophets" if He didn't mean Moses wrote it?Do you believe Jesus knew who wrote the Torah?God Bless, Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Hi NoNukes, That was my point.The only thing that makes mankind worthy is the shed Blood of Jesus Christ that is applied to make them worthy. That sums it up pretty well.We are supposed to be trying to live a life like Christ getting a little closer each day. He did say take up thy cross and follow me daily.God Bless, Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Did God write Acts?...no...Luke did...someone who wasn't even an eyewitness to the events he wrote about. Luke compiled what he believed to be reliable accounts...like a reporter.Peace

No, it is unlikely that Jesus had any idea who actually wrote any of the Torah. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Regardless of who wrote it, the Torah contains plenty of the words and deeds of Moses. Similarly, the Old Testament contains plenty of the words of the prophets, regardless of who actually wrote the books. The content of the scriptures enough to explain what Jesus said.To justify the opposite it is necessary to postulate a whole bunch of stuff that is simply not Biblical at all. Dogma that God dictated the story of Adam and Eve to Moses is not Biblical. Nor is it Biblical that Moses knew the circumstances surrounding his own death. I don't believe Jesus ever said anything about the subject. I'm skeptical that Paul ever said anything about it either. Further, it is pretty clear that Jesus did not always use the powers accessible to Him. I don't know what Jesus would have said if, asked who wrote the Torah. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

You can use that definition. When I speak of Christians, you can expect that I'll be using a less exclusive one, that includes people who attempt to follow Christ's pattern. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Hosea says the house of Jehu will be punished. That would include Jehu. I think you’re trying to split hairs here. The prophesy of Hosea concerning the punishment of the House of Jehu , which certainly appears not to have come to fruition, has nothing to do with preserving the culture.However, let’s say for the sake of argument that it did. You are again creating a god where the ends justify the means. You have a god that is quite happy to have the people he loves be involved in the mass slaughter of their neighbours. He even seems to be content with them using lies and deceit in order to gain the trust of their victims in order to facilitate the slaughter. This god seems to show no concern for the fact that engaging in this slaughter can only harden the hearts of the people he is supposed to love.I’d suggest that you re-read the Beatitudes and ask yourself if this sounds like the same god that we see incarnate in Jesus.

He also knew where he would be buried, and that the grave site would be lost forever. For that matter why is it written in the third person?However, if the Torah is literally dictated by God, why does it even matter whether or not it was penned by Moses?