Here's the Westminster Confession of Faith on the Fall:
Here's the Bible on the "fall":
quote:Genesis 3:22-23 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
1. They became like God. 2. They hadn't eaten from the Tree of Life.
Re: Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
You have to go to the book of Romans, chapter 5 to find it though. In the passage the author is comparing Adam's legacy to that of Jesus. " Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned..."
According to the story, Adam was the first man so yes, he did "bring sin into the world." How else would it begin? And yes, he did "bring death into the world" - for humans. That's a simple mathematical necessity, not a basis for doctrine.
"Let your yes be yes and your no be no. All else is of the devil" said Jesus.
I couldn't resist:
quote:Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
The context is (verses 34-36) about swearing oaths, so you'd better throw out your Oath of Allegiance.
And the VERY next verse is:
quote:Matthew 5:38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
which you're comfortable ignoring.
They do happen to be standard orthodox beliefs that can be answered that simply.
Are you aware that EVERY religion on earth has orthodox beliefs? So almost all orthodoxy is wrong.
We can agree that the evidence is expressed in words. We just don't agree with what evidence we are talking about, the source of such evidence, and the implications of modern evidence, primitive superstition, and the wisdom spoken in the words expressed.
You don't get your own private evidence. Evidence is what everybody agrees on.
If we have a dead body with a hole in the chest, it is evident that it is dead: there are no vital signs, it is at room temperature, etc. The hole in the chest is also evident to everybody. What is NOT evident is: what caused the hole, whether the hole was the cause of death, etc.
In the case that you're trying to weasel out of, it is evident that the Bible says, "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us...."
GOD SAID IT. Do you deny that? Is that not evident to you?