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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
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Message 487 of 1104 (907569)
02-25-2023 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by sensei
02-25-2023 6:24 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
I have not claimed that a nested hierachy would not result from evolution.
That's what I get from your posts. It is my perception and obviously differs from what's in you mind.
Please correct me.
Do you deny common ancestry?
Do you deny the strong observations of a nested hierarchy in the fossil record? Do you deny this is strong evidence of evolution?
If you deny the observation in the fossil record of a nested hierarchy then what pattern of relatedness do you see?
If your intelligent design fiat creation is right then what pattern of relatedness should we see in the fossil record?

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Message 489 of 1104 (907573)
02-25-2023 8:10 PM
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02-25-2023 7:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
I know that evolution from a single celled common ancestor would not come any where close to producing this level of perfection and complexity in such a variety.
You know this? How? By what evidence?

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Message 491 of 1104 (907578)
02-25-2023 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by sensei
02-25-2023 8:27 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
The diamant expert ...
You are not the trained experienced acknowledged expert on the subject of evolution. By your own logic you are busy spending time and effort fooling yourself into thinking that you know better. I agree.
The complexity of information in DNA translating to instructions for building all parts of the living cells with each their specific functions in the body, is evident.
Yes it is. It is evident that chemistry and evolution can produce the most complex, exceptionally less than perfect, organic structures.
Yet you cling on to the idea that it self assembled through progressive steps over time and produced all varieties of DNA by random mutations
We can talk about some abiogenic hypothesis in some depth if you want. The science is fascinating, but, yes the hypothesis involve precisely that.
You have shown nothing to counter this view but your own personal religiously-tainted incredulity. Is there something more than your emotions to justify your view?

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Message 493 of 1104 (907581)
02-25-2023 9:49 PM
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02-25-2023 7:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
What about answers to my other questions in Message 487?

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Message 496 of 1104 (907587)
02-25-2023 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by sensei
02-25-2023 10:02 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
I haven't made any claims. You have.
You deny common descent and evolution. I don't. I accept the scientific consensus. You don't.
You are the outlier here, sensei. The science case has already been made decades ago. You claim it is wrong. It is incumbent on you to present your evidence, not just your tirades, to show your case.
Answer the questions or tuck your tail and leave the field.

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AZPaul3
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Message 497 of 1104 (907588)
02-25-2023 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by sensei
02-25-2023 9:57 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Evolution from single celled ancestor never happened.
Your evidence? Any?

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Message 500 of 1104 (907605)
02-26-2023 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by sensei
02-26-2023 7:09 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
All of lifes complexity, which you evolutionists so poorly understand, it's just pathetic!
All the complexity of life, which we understand quite well, is actually quite beautiful.
Disturbing that you think life is pathetic.

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Message 501 of 1104 (907611)
02-26-2023 10:04 AM
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02-26-2023 7:07 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Now back up your claim or zip it!
I explained my perception and that it may be lacking and asked for clarification.
Are you going to clarify or just bitch. Answer the questions in Message 487.

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Message 503 of 1104 (907624)
02-27-2023 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by sensei
02-27-2023 4:05 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
... you may never learn.
I learned science. You didn't. I know reality. You don't.
You see life as pathetic. I don't.
You have learned nothing.

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Message 511 of 1104 (907655)
02-27-2023 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 508 by sensei
02-27-2023 1:06 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
You made false claims about what I said and misreprented my views.
You were unclear.
I don't deny at all, that some sort of nested pattern could arise if life had evolved.
Not could, but did. You have no alternative explanations for the indisputable pattern we do find, as a fact, in both the fissile and genetic data.
So if you want an honest discussion ...
Then put forward your evidence and quit this emotional bitchin about the science and the discussion.

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AZPaul3
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Message 512 of 1104 (907657)
02-27-2023 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 510 by sensei
02-27-2023 1:14 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Obfuscation. "from nothing" was not in the question.
So answer Taq's question.
Is each person magically created, or is there a natural process that does exactly what you described?

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Message 515 of 1104 (907662)
02-27-2023 3:29 PM
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02-27-2023 3:28 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Name six.

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AZPaul3
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Message 518 of 1104 (907668)
02-27-2023 4:10 PM
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02-27-2023 3:32 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
#1 is the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Creativity. #2-6 are the other spirits.
Ahh, yes, ghosts. Except you can't call them forces. They don't do anything including exist.

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AZPaul3
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Message 520 of 1104 (907679)
02-27-2023 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by sensei
02-27-2023 5:02 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Then zip it, and leave the debate to people who don't lie and misrepresent.
Then what are you doing here? You have done nothing but lie and misrepresent the science and insult biologists and us evil evolutionists. You don't debate. You deny and obfuscate.

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AZPaul3
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Message 522 of 1104 (907691)
02-27-2023 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 521 by sensei
02-27-2023 5:27 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Where have I lied?
Message 494 for one.
quote:
Evolution from single celled ancestor never happened.
The preponderance of the evidence makes this a lie, especially since you know it is fact that you cannot dispute.
Message 331 for another.
quote:
Other things falsify evolution.
Nothing has falsified evolution. You lied.
That's just this thread. I'll not check the others. This is sufficient.

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