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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
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Message 1071 of 1104 (913088)
10-10-2023 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1070 by sensei
10-10-2023 9:59 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
His claim wasn't false. You just do not comprehend humans.
My view does not alter what Percy said or implied. I am please it got you so riled. That's a good thing as it was crafted to get in your craw. Besides, you know I made an error in that? You didn't see it? I pointed it out.
Regardless.
LUCA is a fact. Whether you find me right or wrong means nothing to the fact that LUCA or something very much like that had to occur in practice for what we see today. That makes it a fact. LUCA is a fact.

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Message 1080 of 1104 (913099)
10-11-2023 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1073 by sensei
10-11-2023 3:48 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
There are people here who see common ancestry as fact, just as I said.
Yes, you found one! OMG you were right. Someone admits to seeing the LUCA hypothesis as fact.
I look out over the world and I see common descent. I see where the genetic data supports LUCA. I see where families grew, evolved, separated in direct line with their descendants
I see this and I say, yes, LUCA must have been a fact.
So now what? Does this minor revelation finally prove your god sits upon his throne in his heaven? Does it destroy the edifice of the modern synthesis?
Why does the fact that LUCA was a fact cause such consternation in you? Don't answer. I know. It negates the need for your god to exist to meddle in evolution. It calls your creation myth false and dumps your god in the trash bin.
So, LUCA is real and your god is fake. Over a thousand messages in this thread and nothing has changed.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1086 of 1104 (913105)
10-11-2023 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1082 by sensei
10-11-2023 8:58 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
and there are people who are more haughty when posting scientific findings as absolute truth.
And there is where you fucked up. Scientists don't do this, and you can't show where anyone does. It's a total fabrication. A fucking lie, sensei.
My efforts to tease you about your stupid absolute truth fell on a dull mind. No one of any scientific credit would ever refer to any absolute truth.

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Message 1088 of 1104 (913107)
10-11-2023 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1084 by sensei
10-11-2023 9:07 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
I've used UCA as umbrella term for common ancestry for life on Earth, with UCA as most promising among other theories, like seperate ancestors.
Except separate creation would not produce the clear nested hierarchy that life shows us. The lineages do not stop at separate terminuses. They cross species, families, even kingdoms.

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Message 1089 of 1104 (913108)
10-11-2023 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1087 by sensei
10-11-2023 9:27 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
You admitted yourself that you accept UCA as fact.
Yes, I do see the LUCA hypothesis as a fact of evolution. I understand the formal definitions but there is nothing close to compete with the evidence and the logical inference of LUCA. For this world to show us what we see there would have to have been such a founding population. We just don't have enough absolute evidence to prove these absolute facts.
No it's not an "absolute truth". No such damn thing exists in this universe. Get off the absolute crap, sensei. That is one of those things making you look the fool.
As for arguing for LUCA as if it were fact, that is because it is. Or something very much like it, some common pool of simple primitive genetics, the progenitors of that which are in our genome today. The spread of the same genetic devices, the same codes being used for the same purposes all across all of lifekind is a strong telltale of common descent. There is too much similarity across lineages for there not to have been a common heritage.
You offer no alternative explanations that produce the same result without resort to majik. When you evoke majik you lose.

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Message 1093 of 1104 (913112)
10-11-2023 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1090 by sensei
10-11-2023 10:43 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
I don't agree here at all.
So what? The rest of the scientific consensus on this planet says you are wrong.
Reality can be perceived, measured, but not to any arbitrary degree. QFT establishes limits on our knowledge and on our accuracy in measurement and perception. As a consequence, there is no certainty. No absolute truth.
We going to go round with your numbers analogy again?

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AZPaul3
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Message 1095 of 1104 (913116)
10-11-2023 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1094 by sensei
10-11-2023 12:10 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Just that our perception of it is limited.
Again, look at heisenberg and the uncertainty principle. The limits to our perceptions of the cosmos are not due to our lesser brain or technology. They are due to the structure of the universe. It appears that at the most basic level of interaction the universe does not have a discernible reality but a spread of probabilities of certain random outcomes. The very structure of the cosmos limits the knowledge available.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1097 of 1104 (913118)
10-11-2023 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1096 by sensei
10-11-2023 1:23 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Indeed. And in the upper echelons of the EggHead Land they posit both and argue both.
Many worlds and pilot wave theory are speculative attempts to pull reality through the haze of QFT probability.

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