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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Profitable? Christians give their money away, they don't get a profit off their teachings.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Falwell never did. Oral Roberts either.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sure Faith. They support the Tooth Fairy.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
"Prosperity Gospel" is quite popular.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah but it's false Chrisianity, just a bunch of scammers.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
And you know the difference, while we unbelievers have no clue as to who is who. Why don’t you publish a guide to who’s true and who isn’t? You could donate the proceeds to the Trues.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
So you think organized religion is evil? OK, I will go with that for a moment. You think that the whole idea of God, as a Creator of all seen and unseen is made up? Not so sure thats logical. God is as likely as not.
The rest of your message is fantasy attempting to justify your snake oil remedy to the evil your creeds create. Not sure what creeds you mean. Even jar calls himself a cradle creedal Christian. Do you perhaps mean the sinners prayer? Or are you one of those progressive thinkers that believs humans are just evoloving animals with a developing mind? I argue that there is ample evidence that we are by nature selfish, competitive, and greedy. But lets assume for a minute that Jesus Christ is nothing more than a hypothetical idea. The human character of a Creator. You say the whole marketing ploy is evil, do you not? So tell me what is so wrong with a freethinker such as yourself acknowledging in their mind the premise that if there was a Creator of all seen and unseen and if this Creator chose to intervene in one planets development by becoming human and meeting the people where they were at and inviting people to believe in Him, through which a mental active connection or awareness could be established between that human and the Creator...why on earth is that type of a hypothetical surrender a bad thing? If it turned out not to be real, no loss. If it did turn out to be real, what harm could it cause? The only reason that I would see for anyone resisting such an offer was that they trusted their own ability more than they would trust that of a Creator...which to me sounds arrogant, short-sighted, and foolish. You might counter-argue that humans would be foolish to give their internal authority and control over to an unknown presence...sorta like handing your brain to an Alien from a UFO, so I suppose that in the final analysis surrender should only be done to something you trust and know. You guys always always always bring up evidence, as if evidence is the only human standard to be trusted. Yet why would you call my hypothetical evil? Because of what religion has done in human history? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: That isn’t exactly true. What would be the point of avoiding sin if it didn’t accomplish anything ?
quote: How about threatening Hell for wrong belief ? We see enough of that.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I believe that Hell was never directly created for humans. Humans only end up there by doing the obviously stupid move of refusing to acknowledge Jesus
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: In other words Christianity uses the threat of Hell to try to coerce belief. There is nothing obviously stupid about not believing Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Not at all. Humans used the threat to get people into their clubs. Im talking about the reason for Hell to begin with and its simply a place for other spirits who rebel against Gods authority. Jesus was sent as a human to humans since there is no way people would have listened to a cloud or a booming voice. Following Jesus or accepting Him is hardly a threat. Its like choosing oxygen. Why on earth would anybody freely choose to breathe anything else?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You literally said Humans only end up there by doing the obviously stupid move of refusing to acknowledge Jesus (there being Hell).
quote: Do it or go to Hell IS a threat.
quote: You are making no sense. Why would I give in to threats that appear to be completely empty?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You just can't wrap your mind around God being the only option, preferring what you think is the reality that we are only betrothed to humans.
If you cant believe in God, at least use your imagination. The default was that humans would never make it long term without Divine help. Hell was only a place to dump the rebel angels and spirits. You cant obviously allow them to run around the house any more than letting rats run around yours.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: How is God the only option and why would it be the Christian God if it is?
quote: Why would that make a difference?
quote: I’m not sure of that. Depends on how you define long-term. And I think that there are still possibilities. Even if there aren’t we’re all doomed so you have to worship me is not a sensible argument.
quote: That’s completely irrelevant to what I’m saying.
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