Before the Big Bang

Here is a more scientific approach to the big bang.In order for some thing to happen (like the big bang) you need equations. Equations to tell it what size it will be, what the constants will be, how many equations, how big, What the equations include, the forces required to expand space, the relationship between gravity and time, etc.Only two possible conclusions exist.
1) An eternal self sustaining being exists which designed the equations and the whole system we observe today or...
2) Nothing exists.Any other conclusion, and you believe in a choatic universe where nothing can be predictted, but random events happen and stop happening. In other words, you believe something that is not observed today. You believe a lie. For scientists can only work on the idea that we live in an ordered universe and can make predictions. Good question, if you believe He came from somewhere. But to say God has an origin is an oxymoron (a.k.a. contradiction). This is saying God is not eternal. Therefore you stopped talking about God when you talk about His cause. Instead you started talking about a creation event instead of the Eternal Creator.Here,
Where did this god come from which created the heavens and the earth?Well, this god was created by a super god (more powerful than the one he created).This super god was created by a super-super god etc... to infinite super god.An easier and something that makes more sense is to talk about this Infinite God, and get rid of all the in between super gods....So This is our God. Infinite and self sustaining.But I am sure you will now say that this universe is infinite and self sustaining and no need of a creator.Fair enough. Except you place all design on random chance collisions which unsupervised gives rise to information, laws governing the universe, life as we know it. In other words.. randomness producess non-random information (equations, dna etc). An absurd contradiction. Not only that, but everything observed today, including me typing this message, is just a consequence of interactions of atoms that can be traced back to the "beginning" of the big bang and time.And yet, scientist say you cannot talk about before this "time". I can. For we KNOW that before this event, equations existed to make all this happen, outside of time. Why do we know this? well, the other idea is that it all happened out of nothing.

How can I show God is eternal?God is eternal by definition, not because I have shown it to you.Likewise, I am not asking you to show me how before time cannot exist. But you are telling me that it cannot because that the definition of before time is meaningless. I agree with your definition of time and that there is no time before this.But if you talk about God not being eternal, you have a different definition, and of course we will be on a different page. Those two statements are not the same, something coming from nothing is not saying the same thing as something ALWAYS there. Since time is related to matter, and God not being matter. Maybe its more accurate to say that God exists outside of time, since God created time with matter "In the beginning God created..." instead of saying God existed before time.Likewise, instead of saying before the beginning of time (before the big bang) we should say, outside of the beginning of the Big Bang was what???So something has to exist outside of this time/matter relationship to set this time/big bang in motion. Not true. Coming from nothing implies not existing and then existing. We can logically put this into two events, where existing is a beginning to that existance. We can even talk about the "before" this event, namely, not existing. Even though talking about "before" time makes no sense, we can talk about the "before" of an event.God had no event before His existance, He just exists. He exists outside of time.Now, when talking about the big bang and its beginning, we can talk about before its existence. We can say, it did not exist before time and matter existed. Two conclusions come from this;1. Since we had nothing before something, it either came out of nothing or2. Something exists outside of time and matter and put time and matter in motion. Your logic is baffling, how can something equal not existing by always having an existance?? Maybe you meant this:because we cannot reach a point in the past where God did not exist, then this is equivalent to saying that this point never existed at all. This is true.Edited by Reserve, : No reason given.