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Author Topic:   Key points of Evolution
Phalanx
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Message 61 of 356 (464737)
04-28-2008 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Wumpini
04-28-2008 8:59 PM


Re: Are evolutionary observations sufficient?
Wumpini writes:
It should not be taught in such a way that students would get the impression that it is a scientific fact.
A fair point, if it weren't a scientific fact. What you seem to forget is that the scientific community already accepts this as a scientific fact. The fact that you do not, does not make any difference.
Wumpini writes:
It could also be taught that others promote the view that the diversity we see in life is due to supernatural causes that are no longer taking place on the earth today.
To be perfectly honest, that idea is absolutely ludicrous. Science class does not ever have anything to do with the supernatural. The mention of the supernatural does not belong in science class. If you want to open the door to teaching non-science in a science classroom, we may as well begin courses is palmistry, ufo's, and mind control.
The science classroom teaches scientific theories. The scientific theory of evolution has not ever been disproven. Therefore, it is taught in science classrooms along with the theories of gravity and general relativity. A theory based on the supernatural is anithetical to everything that science is founded upon.
The scientific community accepts the theory of evolution as the only valid theory that explains the diversity of life that we see. The fact that you cannot accept the evidence that countless other people do, is simply a personal issue.
If you want children to seek out the truth, then science is the best avenue that they have to finding truth. Feeding them a line about the supernatural cuts science at the knees. As such, I find the idea utterly unacceptable.

And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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Phalanx
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From: Old Bridge, NJ, US
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Message 65 of 356 (464754)
04-29-2008 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Wumpini
04-28-2008 11:07 PM


Re: What do scientists believe?
Wumpini writes:
If you are going to eliminate the supernatural from evolution then you need to eliminate 45% of the science teachers.
Firstly, that 40% of scientists believe in theistic evolution (a number I'll use for argument's sake, since I find this to be grossly high) does not mean that 40% of science teachers believe in it, as the 2 are not connected.
I'd like to see the breakdown of the responders to the survey by field of study. To be frank, I value the opinion of a physician about as much as I do that of a custodian when it comes to evolution - neither of them actually study it and neither have any real foundation in its evidence. So, I'd like to see how many of the responding biologists felt this were the case.
All that being said, I don't much care whether you believe God helped evolution or not. God does not belong in the science classroom. If you want to teach theistic evolution, take it to your philosophy class. Science does not deal in the supernatural. As I said before, the supernatural is antithetical to all that is science.

And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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Phalanx
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Message 88 of 356 (464819)
04-29-2008 3:00 PM
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04-29-2008 5:31 AM


Re: Are you saying scientific opinions are of little value?
That could be. Someone who has no foundation in biology has no right to denounce what the people who actually do come up with. You don't disagree with your mechanic on the best way to replace your exhaust system. Likewise, you don't take what a biologist tells you and decide he must be wrong because you know better. So, find me a biologist who disagrees with the theory of evolution and we can start there.

And the Ignorant shall fall to the Squirrels - Chip 2:54

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