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Author Topic:   Who to believe , Ham or Ross?
Dan Carroll
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Message 60 of 223 (195218)
03-29-2005 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
03-29-2005 11:33 AM


Re: How much agreement?
And I mean an example of something that PRESENTS ITSELF as true history to be taken as true history.
This is Spinal Tap.

"You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!"
-Jane Christie

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Dan Carroll
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Message 70 of 223 (195250)
03-29-2005 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
03-29-2005 4:18 PM


Re: How much agreement?
I have not read it but I do know that archaeologists found the city of Troy where the poem indicated it had been, that had previously been regarded as fiction invented by Homer, so it has at least some historical references. But otherwise I believe it presents itself only as a romantic fiction.
Seriously, now. This is Spinal Tap.
It presents itself, straight through, as a documentary about a rock band. However, the rock band in question never existed. The movie is a spoof.
While we're at it... The Office, The Blair Witch Project, It's a Good Life if You Don't Weaken, the writings of Herodatus... they all present themselves as fact. None of them actually are.

"You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!"
-Jane Christie

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Dan Carroll
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Message 88 of 223 (195432)
03-30-2005 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
03-30-2005 12:23 PM


Mine goes to eleven
Does it purport to be true history or creative imagining of historical events? Has it been accepted as history for 3000 years? Or at all?
Orson Welles did a neat radio broadcast in 1938 that was presented as fact, and accepted as such by those listening, creating widespread panic.
It was about aliens colonizing Earth.

"You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!"
-Jane Christie

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Dan Carroll
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Message 92 of 223 (195439)
03-30-2005 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
03-30-2005 12:41 PM


Re: Mine goes to eleven
Yes, and if it had been verified beyond that first day and continued to be believed by millions for 3000 years we could classify it with the Bible for veracity.
So the important thing in establishing veracity is the number of people who believe, and the length of time for which they do so?
Do you know what a huge freakin' logical fallacy that is?
It's called argumentum ad populum.

"You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!"
-Jane Christie

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Dan Carroll
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Message 94 of 223 (195444)
03-30-2005 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Faith
03-30-2005 12:58 PM


Re: Mine goes to eleven
Oh, it was a wry comment.
Then the Bible's veracity, based on presentation and acceptance, should be taken as seriously as War of the Worlds. Unless you have something that separates the two that isn't a whopping great logical fart?
This message has been edited by [Dan's Clever Alias], 03-30-2005 01:08 PM

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-Jane Christie

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Dan Carroll
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Message 97 of 223 (195454)
03-30-2005 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
03-30-2005 1:13 PM


Re: Mine goes to eleven
You compound your nonsense with vulgarity.
Yeah, that's kinda my thing.
The reason the War of the Worlds didn't keep a following is that it was shown to be a hoax. The Bible has lasted because millions have found it to be true.
Oh, so it is the millions who believe in it that establishes the veracity, then. In which case, we're back to the logical fallacy.
Unless this is another wry comment?

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-Jane Christie

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Dan Carroll
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Message 204 of 223 (197223)
04-06-2005 10:35 AM


People, when I'm marvelling at the ridiculousness of a flamewar, it's officially time for an intervention.

"You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!"
-Jane Christie

  
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