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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Hi pd,
I'm sorry about your father. May I ask, had he survived do you think you would now be still a believer ? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
riverrat writes: For you its easy. I can't believe you were the one to accept it.I must warn you, in order for this to work, you are going to have be honest, and maybe dwell on some of the deepest hurt in your life. You see, some people can't accept the fact that God repeatedly fails people, through no fault of their own. There always has to be some other reason. You were angry and hurt, that's why you stopped believing, you didn't pray in good faith that's why your prayers weren't answered, etc. It's the easy way out. I'm a software developer by trade. In the industry, some of my colleagues suffer from similar disillusionment. When the system fails, they immediately tend to look for faults everywhere but in their own code. 'It's a network problem' they'll say, 'the database is corrupted' they'll argue. 8 times out of 10, the problem is in their own code. I learned ,from experience, to examine my code first before I start blaming others. I just wish more Christians could do the same. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: Every single one of my prayers get answered What a statement! care to demonstrate?
Sudan's cruel and slow starvation you could pray that these people find food and shelter before more of them die, say within the next week ?! that should be a whiz, thanks! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
thanks for this riVeRraT,
let us know what the answer is. though, within a week or two, it should be obvious. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
mike the wiz writes:
It doesn't affect the reality of God. If Christ said we would always have the poor - why would Riverrat's prayer about Sudan not coming to passs - effect the reality of God?...I need an answer!
It affects the validity of Riverrat's statement 'every single prayer I make gets answered.' ! It would also make it interesting to see how Riverrat's prayer-belief system is affected if God's answer is 'sorry -can't do'. Or yours, for that matter! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: Statistical evidence that has happened to me since I got saved: some questions on this if you don't mind:
quote:Wouldn't that have happened anyway? how do you know it's because you were saved ? Are the people who compliment you on this (presumably), of the same faith as you ? quote:did bad things happen to your business as well ? Have the blessings changed in frequency, or magnitude, since before you were saved ? quote: Is that necessarily a good thing ? was your being saved a pre-requisite for this role? (i.e. is that role in your religious community?)
quote: Something happens to me physically when I eat chocolate, listen to good music, or watch Cameron Diaz films . I just don't attribute it to the Holy Spirit. Could it be that each time you feel happy and elated you think it's the Holy Spirit that caused it, rather than the other way round ?
quote: I do it all the time. My colleagues call it 'talking bulls**t', I prefer to call it 'inspiration'. Why does the Holy Spirit have to come into it ?
quote: Could it be that the persons you're talking to want to hear what you're telling them? Could it also be that they are stressed, vulnerable and prone to emotional responses ? Also, do you realize that many people from different religious persuasions can produce the same effect ? Are you all guided by the same Spirit ? How do you know that the 'right' Spirit is guiding you and not the others ? thanks, L. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: I have decided to open myself up to this forum, and everything I tell you is completely honest, and from the heart. It was before, but now I hold no barriers between you and what is in my mind. I appreciate that. Thanks for answering my question, BTW.I understand you have many posts to reply to. I hope you don't mind me asking some more.
riVeRraT writes: I would say at least 30 people have told me this. They are people who haven't seen me in a while, and people who see me every day. could it be that since you've been 'saved', you feel relieved and elated, smile more and generally your whole demeanour is more positive? It's very common that people who feel miserable and tired, look older. When people feel better about themselves they tend to 'appear' younger and attract similar comments. This happens, no matter what caused the change in the first place.
riVeRraT writes:
Don't mean to sound patronising, but are you counting all the bad things, or is it just that now you tend to worry less about them, so you count less ? No, as matter of fact the bad things have decreased dramatically I find that, when I'm feeling bad (for whatever reason) little misfortunes tend to stick in my mind for longer than when I'm feeling good. For example, if x bad things happen to me on a 'bad' day, I'll remember them for weeks to come. If x bad things happen to me on a 'good' day, a week later I've forgotten half of them. It's kind of a confirmation bias, I suppose.
riVeRraT writes:
No, perfecty explainable: You admit that before you were saved you were feeling and looking worse and had bad habits (drink, pot, etc.) All these were reflected on your looks and attitude. It's no surprise the previous churches didn't want you in the band. Once your appearance and attitude improved, it was much easier for a church to have you in the band.
As a matter of fact, I went to 4 churches and tried to play in "the band" but they were never interested (they would almost refuse me as I asked). When I came to my current church, I didn't even want to ask, because they were too good, and I didn't want to be let down again. But I did ask the worship team leader where I could get the music sheets of the music they were playing, he asked me why, I told him I play piano, then he asked me to join on the spot. Coincidence? riVeRraT writes:
I understand.
Please note, I am not bragging here. I just sharing what God can and will do in your lives as well. I am also publicly thanking him for the opportunity to server him and my fellow man. riVeRraT writes:
Many people do that in their own mind. It's called self-suggestion. I know you think this is unique to you, but so does everybody else who are convinced they experience something 'special'.
Because I never felt anything like it before. Its not like I'm thinking of something first all the time either, it can just come to me when I least expect it, and fill me with anyone of the gifts he has blessed me with. If I was capable of doing that to myself in my own mind, I think I would drop dead from shock on the spot. riVeRraT writes:
Why are you putting yourself down? We all have been inspired at some stage. It's just that now you attribute some special force behind your inspirations.
Right, I never have been inspired in my 39 years of life, so I don't know what that is. riVeRraT writes:
But if each of these things can be easily explained to causes other than your faith, what is left as a whole? Nothing. You can start to break things down and try to explain away each one of these things I posted, but you cannot explain away them as a whole. Listen, you obviously needed to turn your life around and you did that. You stopped the bad habits, improved your attitude towards life and others and are reaping the benefits. That's great! But why are you looking for someone/something else to take the credit? YOU are the one who tried and succeeded, YOU must take the credit.Instead of having faith in imaginary beings, why don't you have some faith in yourself? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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