What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?

I don't pretend to have all the answers but here is how I see it. God is the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end. We are somewhere in between. The universe is a creation in progress with an unknown amount of time left to Omega. What I see you doing is looking at a car half way down the assembly line and seeing all its shortcomings. At least wait until the thing is finished before you start finding fault.As Christians we are called to be part of the "Kingdom of God", (as established by Jesus through His life, death and resurrection), to bring God's message of truth love and justice to the world. Unfortunaltely, in my view, we are doing a pretty poor job.However in the end I believe that God will make all things new. I don't see it as God punishing us. I believe that in the end we will all be left with a choice. Our life is a series of choices and in the end we will make the ultimate choice and choose between love of God's truth love and justice, or our love of self.If you are of a mind I'd suggest reading CS Lewis's "The Great Divorce".

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That is a very mature and balance view of things GDR.
Thanks for the reference also.

You indicate that I am looking in between the Alpha and omega and finding fault. This is wrong. I believe that all around is Perfection as only a Perfect god can do. It is others with an imperfect God who are waiting for God to come and fix a faulty reality. A Perfect God would find Perfection at all points in time between the beginning and the end.At the end the choices that we have to that point are gone. We are destined for Heaven. God does not create any looser souls. They are all created Perfect as only a Perfect God can make them. He never says oops.God does not need chance after chance to create a Perfect universe as scripture falsely indicates. If He did He would not be much of a God now would He?Make your God Perfect before you follow Him.Regards
DL

True, except for the fact that he leaves the possibility of choosing other than Heaven at the time of the end. God would never allow man to create such a thing to mare His otherwise Perfect universe. Only man could ever think that even at the end he can thwart God by trying to produce an imperfection.Trust that God never lets anything mare His Perfect universe. Only a false God would do so.Regards
DL

Actually if you read Rev 21 you will see that it isn't about going to heaven. It is about a new heaven and a new earth forming a new creation. It is more like heaven coming down to us. He will make all things new.It also isn't about God saying oops. If we didn't have choices it would leave us as nothing more than mindless computers and not particularly good ones at that. With choice comes responsibility, and that allows for imperfect people such as you and I. If you aren't using the Bible to provide reliable information about your faith I'm curious to know what it is that you do use.

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

Elohim creates by the wisdom of goodness. He saw light was good and separated it from dark in Genesis. It’s never stated that dark was bad, but could it be that the darkness was not yet perfect...unfinished . that it could not perceive the light . In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it . The unquestionable mystery of Godliness is incomprehensible to our finite mindscape. Nonetheless I see Elohim allowing what we perceive as imperfection to exist separately from His perfection. A loss of innocence, or quest for knowledge, seems to cause, at least temporary, separation from the wisdom of goodness. "Imperfection" or "not yet perfect" may exist in Elohim’s universe by His grace . apart from His wisdom and presence.Adam and Eve chose to learn of knowledge for themselves that day in the Garden against the advise and counsel of Elohim’s wisdom of goodness. The lovebirds lost their innocence and were led out of the Garden, separated from the Tree of Life. Shortly after they lost a son. Cause and effect? The Tree of Life is represented as God’s wisdom in Proverbs 3:13-. The tempered perfection of our God. When they ate from the Tree of Knowledge, knowledge was chosen over Wisdom and the journey began. We have the freewill to make our way back. Consider, a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. Forging knowledge into wisdom is taking a long time in our eyes, yet to God one day is as a thousand years.I’d be willing to bet we agree people have been misrepresenting The Word of God since the beginning of mankind. Some of us don’t do it on purpose while others could care less. Consider this example, EVC Mess. 41, where Moses chose to not honor Elohim’s character accurately. If great men of God misrepresent his character, how much more so are we inclined? God is not the punisher, but the Father. A father with the wisdom of goodness causes his children correction towards a more perfect result. Everything seems to be under the authority of consequence. Cause and effect can be misrepresented when their relationships are not fully understood. Steps of a process may appear as chances for deliverance.Elohim knows we will do as we please because we are continually learning of consequence. Elohim’s awareness and love for goodness causes Him to advise those He loves. His wisdom of goodness displayed in the creation. All He made was good and with His wisdom of goodness we are created with authority and choices. Freewill to create our own destiny or our own dynasty. Without knowledge, we can not know the wisdom of goodness. Without this wisdom, we can not truly know God’s heart.
Without this awareness we can not truly love God. We wouldn’t GIA. At least you and I wouldn’t. Edited by Bailey, : punct.

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Bailey“The unquestionable mystery of Godliness is incomprehensible to our finite mindscape.”GIA wrote
Piss poor poetry.
If God cannot be understood then He should not be followed.
Tell me, if you cannot understand your God, how do you know you are going in the right direction in your (mindscape).“Nonetheless I see Elohim allowing what we perceive as imperfection to exist separately from His perfection.”GIA wrote
God is everywhere and in everything and everyone. Nothing can exist outside of His (mindscape).Nothing can separate itself from God.“ When they ate from the Tree of Knowledge, knowledge was chosen over Wisdom.GIA wrote
Wisdom cannot exist without knowledge.
Thank God Eve chose knowledge because without it man would have no history and could not glorify God. We would be like animals of the fields. Knowing nothing, not even why we follow God.
I challenge you, as I have challenged many and had no winners, to name one topic or issue that does not have a good and an evil aspect.“ Forging knowledge into wisdom”GIA wrote
You say that Eve rejected wisdom by choosing knowledge. You then say that wisdom cannot be reached without knowledge. Please explain hoe she and we can have wisdom without knowledge.“Elohim knows we will do as we please because we are continually learning of consequence.”When conceived, God gives us a Perfect soul. He also provides a Perfect nature for us to follow. All we need do is follow our bliss or nature and we will be doing God’s plan. Without the good and the evil that God gives our nature, His plan would not unfold.
Than God for good and thank God for evil.“Elohim’s awareness and love for goodness causes Him to advise those He loves.”GIA wrote
And cast His errors in creating Perfect souls into a Hell. Nice way to justify His works.“Without knowledge, we can not know the wisdom of goodness. Without this wisdom, we can not truly know God’s heart.GIA wrote
Yet you condemn Eve and call our leaving the garden of ignorance a fall instead of the glorious journey for man that it was.You have some thinking to do.Regards
DL

What information do you use to indicate that God can produce imperfect works that He must return to (fix)?If I recall, the Bible indicates that God's works are Perfect.Regards
DL

"In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God."Please quote the exact source of this quote.Regards
DL

You recall wrong.God destroyed the earth once with a flood and He threatens to destroy it again in the "end time". Why would He destroy perfection?You really need to drop the idiotic notion of "perfection". It's a useless concept.Edited by Ringo, : Added signature.

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Why follow an imperfect God?
Now that would be stupid.
If God cannot be Perfect then He cannot be God.Regards
DL

What makes you think God wants to be "followed?"And don't avoid the question: If the world was perfect, why would God threaten to destroy it in the "end time"?

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Unfortunately for me, the unquestionable mystery of Godliness is a direct lift from Tim’s book. Even in a half hearted attempt to compete with Poe, I couldn’t concoct it. Although I have always liked the ring of it. If I can understand the microcosms of Godliness to an infinite end now, I no longer need God then, as far as I’m concerned. I wouldn’t expect to fully comprehend the inner workings of Elohim anymore than I expect my son to understand advanced mathematics, or a monkey to understand algebra. It’d be unfortunate to me if my son abandoned his faith in my guidance and fathering based on his inability to comprehend calc or trig. Consider; now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now you know in part; then you shall know fully. Another lift unfortunately not to my credit. I’m confident my compass is accurate by the wisdom that has been portioned to me. My faith lies within complete revelation upon deliverance, as Elohim has assured me. We agree mostly. God is omnipotent and nothing can exist outside of His heart and mind. Here may be where we depart on this. As the fanatics would quote we’re “glorified”, “changed”, or “transformed” from “glory to glory”. My instinct is to confide nothing can maintain itself within the actual presence of Elohim until it has attained its original state of “perfection” once again. If you have been in this place, the tangible presence of Elohim, you are esteemed by me. That Elohim, with all wisdom and understanding, has made known to me the mystery of His will, which he purposed in Christ, is enough for me. We agree on this mostly as well. The Tree of Life offered a straight shot to refined knowledge . wisdom (proverbs 3:13-18). Destiny would have been expedited if this Tree was chosen in the Garden and that route was not intended for us. We almost agree on this. Had the Tree of Life been chosen in the Garden that fateful day, the wisdom of goodness displayed in creation would have been attained by mankind immediately producing an alternate course of history glorifying Elohim from the beginning, forgoing all the monotonous bull$hit. We’d only have remained unconscious had we never eaten from either of the sacred trees. Nonetheless, even if it is the long way home, I am thankful a path has been beaten before me by Jesus Himself, as I am thankful in all things. Although I consider you a brother, I would take you to task on this challenge . but I can’t because all things do sustain the duality. Even an option to Paradise is in conformity to this. Thus the need for the Wisdom of Goodness or the Knowledge, or rather, Discernment of Good and Evil that, by His grace, may lead to the former. By the Genesis account a choice was made from the beginning. Had the choice been made differently, we would forgo discernment of good and evil for the wisdom of goodness inherently. Eve had the choice . but we never will. This wasn't our Way. Although this may sound good and easy on paper it is exceedingly difficult for most. If by “our bliss or nature” you imply the heart of God and His Word, we mostly agree. I’m thankful there is a Way. The relativity of good and evil has become a stumbling block to many a soul. We agree. Be thankful in all things. Continuously accustomed to molest the heart of the God who exalts Mercy over judgment. That's the standard dogma, held esteemed by the perverse for leverage of their own purposes. You can keep it. Nobody is immune to freewill and consequence GIA, “perfect soul” or otherwise. If someone does not want to walk among Elohim, He will not force them within Paradise. He will provide those who do not want to be in Paradise with an option just as He provided Paradise for us. As you said earlier in regards to the duality of existence . there is no issue that does not have a “good” and an “evil” aspect. More bull$hit my good friend. I've never condemned Eve or made reference to a “garden of ignorance”. Classic example of the Christian Cult of Ignorance tactic of misrepresentation. As far as I’m concerned The Garden of Eden represents the presence of Elohim Himself while the image of God was still unconscious. “The Fall”, as you call, it is one of those dogmatic fantasies that won’t fly around here. You can keep that too. But I’ll worship Eve no more than I’ll worship Mary, because it is by the will of Elohim alone that we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken. It is to Him my thanks go out . and to Him who I’m indebted. We all do my friend. My apologies if I offend you.
I actually look up to you, it's just...
I am not religion savvy at all.
I never opened a Good Book ”til around eighteen or so.
I guess I missed out on all this brainwashing.
“Piss poor” etiquette you might say.

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John 1:1-5, but 6-18 keep it in context.
You can pick your version at the link: TNIV, NIV, NIrV, or KJV.Be good friend.

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You recall wrong.

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God destroyed the earth once with a flood and He threatens to destroy it again in the "end time". Why would He destroy perfection?

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You really need to drop the idiotic notion of "perfection". It's a useless concept.

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Though God most certainly did create perfection, the destruction of things at the time of the flood was anything but. The attack was carried out on the results which sin(imperfection) had brought into the world.