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Free will: an illusion

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Message 88 of 309 (321898)
06-15-2006 1:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 87 by Heathen
06-15-2006 1:24 PM

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In the absence of an all knowing-creator god however.. we do have true free will.
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Have you heard of Benjamin Libet?
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06-15-2006 2:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 90 by Heathen
06-15-2006 1:59 PM

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Check out this wikipedia article.
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Benjamin Libet - Wikipedia
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06-16-2006 6:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 168 by iano
06-16-2006 6:19 PM

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Have you read up on tests done that reveal that free will is not so cut and dried?
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06-17-2006 2:00 AM 		Reply to: Message 170 by iano
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I mentioned a study by Benjamin Libet earlier in the thread and I wonder if you may have had a chance to view this. If not the article available at wikipedia is here.
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Benjamin Libet - Wikipedia
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Let me know what you think of the study
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06-20-2006 1:29 PM 		Reply to: Message 237 by cavediver
06-20-2006 12:26 PM

Re: Is knowing the future enough to destroy free-will?
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Can God's "knowing" have such a damning effect on our free-will, even if he doesn't tell us what we are going to do? Note, I am only interested in God's knowing at this point. Imagine God isn't the creator, but just has omniscience..
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Does God knowing the outcome not imply that the outcome is already determined? If not, how then could God see a future that is undetermined, since ,by definition, even he could not have knowledge of it.
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