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Free will: an illusion

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Phat
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Message 79 of 309 (321831)
06-15-2006 11:28 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
06-14-2006 4:56 PM

My 2 cents worth
Creavolution writes:
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1) Free will is an Illusion, since God knows what will happen, what choices we will make.
so destiny is set in stone? Perhaps...but if so, why even make any decisions at all?
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2) Without the relevant information to make an informed choice our 'Free will' is not free at all.
Good point. We make do with the information that we have, as well as our intuitions.
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3) Without the ability to even discern what information is correct (due to our 'fallen state'), free will is irrelevant, pointless, wasted. and point 2 doesn't even come into play.
Assuming that we are fallen, the Bible supports the view that no one seeks God. I believe that God finds us...we never find Him.
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“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis
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06-16-2006 3:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 81 by Heathen
06-15-2006 12:59 PM

Re: My 2 cents worth
creavolution writes:
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But god knows what decision we will make, so in Effect he creates us (or some of us)knowing that we will not choose him. or choose to accept his advances. i.e. doomed to eternal hell..
I have yet to meet anyone who, after having actually met God, freely rejected Him.
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06-18-2006 3:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 131 by Heathen
06-16-2006 10:38 AM

Re: My 2 cents worth
creavolution writes:
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here are, are there not ex-Christians on this website?
folk who believed, but no longer do.
They never met God. For once you have met a person and communed with them even briefly, you never will go so far as to deny that they were real.
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AQt the risk of sticking my foot in my mouth, I'll assert that most of the Christians who are now ex-christians had faith in faith and ritual...an idea or a belief of a group, maybe...but I would challenge that any of them had ever met God and then denied that the experience was real.
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