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John Paul
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Message 60 of 301 (73136)
12-15-2003 8:22 PM


Why is abiogenesis tied to the theory of evolution? Well if life didn't arise from non-life via purely natural processes there is no reason to infer life's diversity arose via purely natural processes. It is that simple.
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John Paul
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Message 63 of 301 (73173)
12-15-2003 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by NosyNed
12-15-2003 9:03 PM


Re: Creation and Diversity
NosyNed please try to use what I post in context. God creating life is not life arising from non-life via purely natural processes.
Please provide a reference that supports that the majority of Christians adhere to your statement. I have always observed the contrary- that the majority hold to a special creation. That being the diversity arose from the originally created kinds.
NosyNed:
If life did arise by supernatural processes then yes, I agree, the possiblitiy of the diversification by supernatural processes at least becomes a possibility. However it is not required.
John Paul:
Lol! No supernatural processes are required. Just the design to evolve. And yes if life was designed to do so it could evolve/ vary very rapidly under specific conditions. Also many species were not required aboard the Ark. For specifics please read "Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" by John Woodmorappe. He places less than 16000 animals aboard the Ark- insects and aquatic animals not among them.

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John Paul
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Message 64 of 301 (73177)
12-15-2003 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Rei
12-15-2003 8:56 PM


Ya Rei I have this argument before. Evolutionists try to distance themselves from abiogenesis for obvious reasons.
Again why would anyone infer life's diversity arose from purely naturalistic processes (i.e. not designed) if it didn't arise by them? The inference becomes no more than a belief- which is what the theory of evolution is anyway- a belief that the diversity of life owes its collective common ancestry to some unknown population(s) of single-celled organisms that just happened to have the ability to self-replicate. As if errors could lead to the diversity- evidence please...

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John Paul
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Message 66 of 301 (73193)
12-15-2003 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by crashfrog
12-15-2003 10:25 PM


No crashfrog I am not an evolutionist. I was but I grew out of it. The type of "evolution" I am talking about does not require any new genetic information whereas the type of evolution portrayed by the theory of evolution requires quite a bit of new genetic information to arise.
Again I said nothing about a timeline. Please stop trying to pin one on me. Thanks.

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John Paul
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Message 68 of 301 (73224)
12-15-2003 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by crashfrog
12-15-2003 10:43 PM


Bacteria evolving into bacteria does not help your case. Neither do the variations of wolves & dogs. You need eyes from the eyeless, bones from the boneless, limbs from the limbless and many other structures there were not there at one point in time.
As for Woodmorappe I don't remember reading about a timeline in his book, but it has been a few years.
How long did it take? We have already observed a new species of mosquito arising in 40 years. We have seen phenotypical changes in well less than that- differences caused by geological isolation. However in each case the organism is still basically the same.

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