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Author Topic:   Evolution has been Disproven
JonF
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Message 108 of 301 (184066)
02-09-2005 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Parasomnium
02-09-2005 4:20 AM


Re: Probability?
What do you mean by "law of probability is 10 to the 50th power"? It is a meaningless statement to me.
It's a meaningless statement to anybody, but some people understand where it comes from. Juhrahnimo's referring to Borel's "Law". Borel's law is not a law, it's a rule of thumb, and the common creationist choice of 1 in 1050 as a probability level which divides the possible from the essentially impossible is not supported by Borel's work or any science or mathematics. As you no doubt know, the choice of a probability level at which we ignore the possibility of some event happening depends on the situation.
The latest practitioner of this claptrap is William Dembski with his "universal probability bound".
A simple demonstration how sily any universal probablity bound is: take two decks of cards, shuffle them, and lay the cards out on a table in a line. The probability of the arrangement you are looking at, before you laid out the cards, was 1 in 10166. But it happened. For more improbable events, add more decks of cards.
Of course, this is a digression from the real point, which is that nobody thinks that left-handed amino acids came to be or joined to form proteins by chance; they did so in acordance with the laws of chemistry and the surrounding environment (catalytic surfacesa and the like). We don't yet have a good theory of how it happened, but "chance" isn't even in the runnning.

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JonF
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Message 186 of 301 (199026)
04-13-2005 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Gabe Webb
04-13-2005 5:34 PM


Re: Riiight...
The way I see it, Life has to come from Non-Life if evolution is true.
No, not really.
Evolution is independent of how life came to be. Poofed into existence by the Judeo-Christian God, arising naturally from a bath of chemicals on the early Earth, seeded by aliens from another dimension, whatever ... it just doesn't matter. Evolution is about what happened after life came into existance.

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