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Author Topic:   "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
jar
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Message 421 of 860 (128176)
07-27-2004 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by Hydarnes
07-27-2004 6:10 PM


If your input in this thread is any indication of the level of education acquired by his detractors, then I'm afraid it's pretty egregious.
Then enlighten me.
Answer a few questions.
If 2 million people packed up and left Egypt, how come no one noticed?
If the whole Egyptian Army and their Pharoah were killed, how come none of the other world powers noticed?
How come there is no evidence of Hebrews even being in Egypt before around the 6th Century?
How come Jerico and Ai were unoccuppied when they were supposedly conquered?
Sorry, but if the Exodus happened, it was not at the time stated in the video, and did not involve 2 million people. In addition, there is no evidence yet to support the chase and destruction of the Egyptian army.
As to Wyatt, his ark fraud has been refuted time after time. He has never presented ANY evidence to any outside labs for confirmation.
This is crap of the highest order.

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jar
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Message 434 of 860 (128266)
07-28-2004 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 430 by Hydarnes
07-28-2004 1:00 AM


Nice try.....but
There were other world powers at that time. Egypt was constantly dealing or fighting with both the Nubians and the varying powers to the North. Yet no one noticed.
You can try to make it something that might have been covered up, but we are talking a big, big event. If the numbers you claim are correct it is about 100 times the population needed to build the Great Pyramid. Even if Egypt tried to keep that secret, they certainly could not keep the Nubians or Assyrians from reporting or recording it.
Then there is the matter of losing the whole army and the Pharoah. That would certianly have been noticed.
And an Asiatic presence in Egypt (something that IS documanted, does not imply a Hebrew presence. Sorry, but so far none of you have been able to provide any evidence.
Finally, would you like to address the issue of Jerico and Ai?
I believe that the Exodus did happen. But it was more likely a few hundred people, maybe as many as a few thousand. And it most likely happened sometime after 1200BC, not in the 1400s.

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jar
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Message 461 of 860 (128527)
07-29-2004 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 460 by Gwyddyon
07-29-2004 1:53 AM


Re: Why has a Ron Wyatt fraud got 400+ posts.
There's still more to it.
If the wheels are there, there is still nothing that would connect them with the Exodus rather than any of the hundreds of campaigns over about a thousand years that took place in that general area.
If the bones are there and authentic, there is still nothing to connect them with the Exodus.
The reason folk are not running off shouting about these alleged discoveries is that even if true, they don't offer any connection to the Exodus.

There is simply no evidence that what has been alleged to have been found has any connection whatsoever with the Biblical Exodus.


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jar
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Message 500 of 860 (128754)
07-29-2004 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by Lysimachus
07-29-2004 6:11 PM


Re: Picture
Lysimachus writes:
Jar, not only are you completely blind when it comes to discerning matters like this, you are willfully blind and deceived.
So the pattern continues. Your response to any who ask questions is to attack their motives.
Many years ago I was wandering in the woods not far south of the Gettysburg Battlefield. One day I found some shot, old 50 caliber ball. So obviously, the battle did not happen where people thought, but rather several miles farther south in the Catoctin Mountains.
This is the biggest, but not the only, problem with your assertions.
There is no way to connect the wheels, even if they exist, with the exodus any more than I can connect the shot I found with the Battle of Gettysburg.
The pictures you provided of the calves do not show calves at all. Some may be bulls, but most look like the Ibex and Gazelle. Same problem. You are trying to shoehorn anything in to fit your ideas instead of finding things and letting them lead to a conclusion.

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jar
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Message 515 of 860 (128940)
07-30-2004 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 508 by Lysimachus
07-30-2004 10:26 AM


Re: Picture
Lysimachus asserts
What you cannot deny are the chariot wheels, which is CLEAR evidence of an Egyptian disaster.
But that is simply not the case. First, there is no clear evidence that the wheels even exist. Second, even if they existed, there is nothing to link them to the Exodus rather than any of the hundreds of campaigns that raged up and down that area over many centuries.
We know that the inscriptions clearly told us "Pharaoh, Death, Solomon" on the opposite column.
If that is the case, and there is no evidence to back that up, it strongly implies that there is no connection to Exodus. IIRC, Solomon did not live untill around 970-930 BCE.
Finally, questioning the Biblical accounts such as Exodus have NOTHING to do with either Christianity or belief in God. To imply that such literal belief is part of Christian Dogma is both incorrect and deceitful.

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jar
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Message 548 of 860 (129415)
08-01-2004 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 546 by JimSDA
08-01-2004 8:17 PM


Classic Wyatt style misdirection and innuendo
You initally tried to connect Moller with the Nobel Prize simply because of geography. When rightly called for such imputation, you try to relate what was said to comparing the Nobel Prize to sweeping floors.
Like so much that has been presented about Wyatt, Moller and the video, there is no substance, only a shell game. You folk take things that are totally unrelated, such as the wheels, the glyphs and other items, and by slight of hand and misdirection, try to get the gullible to lay the cash down.
You claim you have evidence, but when challenged you, buz, whatever, lys and his brother can do no more than try to distract folk while you swap the shells. It is no more than an old fashioned Medicine man show. Two hundred years ago you would have been shilling while Wyatt and Moller sell snake oil from the back of the wagon.
The only question left is whether you were the cripple that suddenly walked or the blind that could see. LOL

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jar
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Message 551 of 860 (129418)
08-01-2004 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 550 by JimSDA
08-01-2004 9:39 PM


Re: Classic Wyatt style misdirection and innuendo
I've seen the Book and the video. And there is all the substance of a Ron Popeil Slice-n-Dice infomercial.
P.T. Barnum had a museum and so did Ripley. I enjoyed Ripley's museum. Thousands of people come in and see the 300+ color photoboards around the walls that showed their documentation, and the evidence and you want to guess how many people Believe It or Not?
ROTFLMAO.

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jar
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Message 554 of 860 (129421)
08-01-2004 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 553 by JimSDA
08-01-2004 10:05 PM


Classic argument from authority when you have no facts
I think I'll side with the guy who works with scientists who assess Nobel Prizes!
Yup, shuffle the shells. Move them fast enough and you can hide the pea. Misdirection and illusion.
This Way to the Egress.

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jar
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Message 558 of 860 (129425)
08-01-2004 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Buzsaw
08-01-2004 10:13 PM


Re: Classic Wyatt style misdirection and innuendo
Watched the whole video. Laughed through most of it.

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jar
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Message 568 of 860 (129452)
08-01-2004 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by JimSDA
08-01-2004 11:26 PM


Re: "Turf Problems..."
That is not what the scientific method of investigation is about -- if every scientist waited until every answer was known about a discovery, how would the world of science and discovery ever progress??
Actually, science is
evidence--->hypothesis--->test--->theory--->conclusion.
Seems you folk are going conclusion--->accept or create whatever evidence supports the conclusion.

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jar
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Message 588 of 860 (129513)
08-02-2004 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 570 by JimSDA
08-02-2004 12:12 AM


Re: "Turf Problems..."
But that was not science. It was more of the same. A conclusion was made, that there is a Biblical Mt. Sinai. The issue then was simply to find it.
If you throw out the conclusion that there ever was something called the Exodus and look at your alleged evidence (and it is all simply alleged, none of it has been independantly verified) and ask, what does it show, the answer has to be...Nothing.

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