Murder by prayer: When is enough, enough?

it would take too much to explain this to you an dunless you had a compassionate soul, which i see by our words you do not, then you would not grasp nor understand my exlanation.atheists and secularists would best be served by refraining from interfering in those things they do not understand nor support. it woul dbe best to call a true christian minister to help such people.i will disagree with your condemnation and judgement, that it is murder. it is not. people like yourself need to learn to mind your own business as God gave PARENTS the right to raise their own children as THEY see fit NOT as you see fit.i doubt you would liek it if christians began forcing you to follow their ways in raising children so keep your ways and opinions to yourself.

without God there is NO morality. you do not get to say what is or isn't right nor what is or isn't endangering a child. taking a child to a hospital is endangering them because of the incompetant care that takes place within those walls. children die there as well yet there is no outcry and the stupid superstitions that permeate those places are worse than a christian 's faith. children can't defend themselves against doctors either. your argument is moot, ignorant and done out of hatred for Christ. there are no human rights without religious beliefs or did you learn nothing from your history lessons on the nazis, the japanese, the khmer rouge, the communists...? you just do not know what you are talking about and let your hatred do your thinking for you what you think doesn't matter because you are NOT perfect and the sin that blackens your heart corrupts your thinking. this business of taking sick people to a hospital instead of praying is inane since it has been demonstrated to NOT WORK> suchthinking works both ways as MORE people die in hospitals or under doctors' care than by praying for them. obviously, the failure is on the side of the secularist not those who pray.by the way, prayer for healing does work, you just won't admit it and are blinded by your hatred for Christ.

you just need to let christians handle these matters and write the laws. the secularioss have proven incapable of doing a good job of it.

you would be wrong but that is par for the course with people around here. death proves another verse of the bible true...it is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgment... in evolution death does not belong and there is no purpose to it.evolutionists have to steal from creationists to make sense of the world and all the details for their 'theory' doesn't explain one thing about life.nomatter what one does, whether they pray, or go to a doctor, when God says time is up, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. get some reality in your heads, you only rely on doctors, medicines, hospitals because you are all afraid to die for you know what comes next and it won't be heaven for you all.relying on God is the only way to go for man cannot stop what God has ordained.

guess where they came from....God and the bible. when is keeping their bodies alive via medical treatment and equipment when they will never function again considered a compassionate act? you really do not see the whole picture and blindly defend secular ideas just because of your bias and hatred for christ. wrong. they die in hospitals because of bad treatments, quacks, equipment failures etc., and because it is time. God doesn't promise long life to everyone. yes, please practice it before condemning christians who practice their faith. the crusades, the inquisition, sharia law has nothing to do with me or christianity. compare their words and actions to God's and Christ's instruction and you will see that those men were not following God...the restof your post isn't worth comment because your emotionalism influences your thinking the wrong way.

for the former, i have. for the latter not so much. you all do the same thing, you will blindly defend systems knowing they are bad, just because i or some other christian supports healing by prayer and exposes those inferior medical practices.wasn't it just recently that 2 people died waiting for medical care because they weren't worthy (skin color) to be seen when they should have? sorry but your defense of hospitals breaks down when the reality hits.as for the poster whose wife is a 'doctor' you attack christians, she is fair game.

your opinion but you are not superior to God and your thinking is flawed. yet i provided two examples of people WHO WENT to the hospital and were ignored till they died. you have no argument. the problem with this argument is that secularists are all afraid to die so they try to fight it all they can. we will never know if those children would have lived or not if they were taken to a hospital, its an assumption you cannot make. who said they were christian? i don't.i donot follow nor accept your 'logical fallacies' because God's rules are higher and better than man's. spiritual things do not go according to the sinful world's ways, definitions, ideas or understanding. as soon as you realize this you may be able to learn something.

hospitals cannot heal people without God's permission. i can cite mickey mantle who bribed doctors to get him a liver but he died anyways. you people just do not get it. hospitals, doctors have little to do with healing but then you all always credited the wrong things.p.s. those people died because doctors, nurses and hospitals ignored them. don't try to twist my words to fit your warped ideas. going to a hospital one takes their chances and the medicines they give out are sometimes worse than the disease itself. so again you have no argument.Edited by archaeologist, : No reason given.

this is the exact opposite from what i have heard.

i rarely reply to JAR as he is so off it isn't funny but in this case i will make an exception. no i don't. i just have to speak the truth. scientific studies are so limited and manipulated that they cannot be counted on. no you are not. the word 'christian' means 'christ-like' and Christ did not call any part of the OT a myth, fairy tale and He believed and taught the creative act. you are far from anything christian.

and here: [qs]More nonsense. Hitler was a devout Christian and acted based on his Christian beliefs.From Mein Kampf:quote:"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."[qs] that is so laughable. that goes against what God said. read 1 John. Hitler was not a christian.

you really shouldn't criticize nor condemn what you really do not understand. plus it is NOT your call on what other parents do withtheir families, they are responsible not you. you are responsible for raising your family in the correct way which, judging by your posts, you have failed to do as well. really? when i was 18 one of my best friends went to the hospital with a curable disease and died. you distort the reality because you hate Christ and christianity.under your logic the parents would be considered irresponisible and should go to jail. your hatred influences your thinking in the wrong way.Edited by archaeologist, : No reason given.

i will do what i want, it is my posts and you have no say in the matter,. this and the following sentences are the reason you are not getting a response. your hatred shows that you cannot be objective thus any conclusion coming from you, any point, are biased and unacceptable.

you all need to keep in mind that it is your attitude that keeps me from sayng more. i say the minimal because i know you will reject any reasonable comment i make. your emotionalism is unreliable as you place a greater value on children than you do any other human life and that is wrong.childrens' lives are NOT greater nor ore important than a father's or a mother's or even a single person's. so you really got to get off this women's thinking mode and see the reality. Children are not immune to things that take place in adult lives. sin is sin and God judges them all the same.if the children were as nnocent as you think, then they would not have been destroyed in the flood. learn that lesson well, God does not make exceptions for ladies who lower their blouses, hike their skirts or bats their eyes and he does not give free passes to children either. He judges all the same and uses the same criteria for all.if He didn't then then He would not be God, and could not be trusted. which means that your standards do not matter and parents are given th eright to raise their families as they see fit. i highly doubt you would want an american evangelical forcing you to raise your kids their way--so do not do it to them.

JUST saw this article about a british study, you may find it interesting:http://news.yahoo.com/...me/eu_med_britain_doctors_and_death