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Author Topic:   Murder by prayer: When is enough, enough?
Woodsy
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Message 23 of 284 (576433)
08-24-2010 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by archaeologist
08-24-2010 4:53 AM


i will disagree with your condemnation and judgement, that it is murder. it is not. people like yourself need to learn to mind your own business as God gave PARENTS the right to raise their own children as THEY see fit NOT as you see fit.
You have just demonstrated the horrible effects of religion on morality.
It is not right for parents to endanger their children's lives for the sake of their stupid superstitions. The children are unable to defend themselves.
Religious belief should never be allowed to trump human rights.
I think that those who instruct their congregations to behave in this way should be liable to punishment under the law when harm results.
This business of praying instead of getting medical help is so inane since it demonstrably DOES NOT WORK.

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Woodsy
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From: Burlington, Canada
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Message 28 of 284 (576447)
08-24-2010 7:01 AM
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08-24-2010 6:47 AM


this business of taking sick people to a hospital instead of praying is inane since it has been demonstrated to NOT WORK> suchthinking works both ways as MORE people die in hospitals or under doctors' care than by praying for them. obviously, the failure is on the side of the secularist not those who pray.
Please back this assertion up with a citation to a reputable study.
If you do not, I will have to conclude that your post is merely blind bigotry.

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Woodsy
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Message 52 of 284 (576801)
08-25-2010 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Adequate
08-25-2010 3:36 PM


An interesting question would be whether people who don't pray are less healthy. I wonder if I can find out.
It's not the same thing, but I have seen a study mentioned that had people pray for some heart patients and not for others. In some cases the patients knew they were being prayed for, in other cases they did not know. If I remember rightly, the Templeton Foundation was involved.
The only group that showed a difference was those patients who knew they were being prayed for, and they had worse outcomes than the other two groups.
It would indeed be interesting to know the result of the patients themselves praying.
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Woodsy
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Message 128 of 284 (577342)
08-28-2010 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by archaeologist
08-28-2010 4:25 AM


The parents might, just perhaps, be able to make a case for trying prayer. They cannot make any kind of case for not seeking medical help when the prayer did not work.
Parents have their children in their care, they do not own their children. Children own themselves. No-one has the right to play silly games with someone else's life just to accommodate their stupid superstitions. The idea that parents own their children leads to barbarities such as forced marriages and honour killings.

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