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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
1.61803 writes: Yes and that because of past moral transgressions of a state or country or group they should not automatically be forfeit any consideration or credibility. Some states (most?, all?) don't allow convicted sociopathic axe murderers to vote or serve on jury duties. Do you think that is also a mistake? Should sociopaths be allowed to influence your society/culture? Should convicted child rapists be allowed to teach in school? Did you think through your above stance at all?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
drone writes: From what catastrophic support of dictators, terrorists, or destabilized democracies does the West hone their moral highness from? xongsmith writes: Perhaps yours, yourself. My catastrophic support of dictators, terrorists, or destabilized democracies? . . . My? Sorry Xong, from the context of my original argument, I am not understanding your reply. (maybe today was the wrong day for me to stop sniffing glue.) Edited by dronestar, : clarity, added quote
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Jon Inactive Member |
It's lying, plain and simple.
It's not powerful; it's cowardly and pathetic. Love your enemies!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Jon writes: It's lying, plain and simple.It's not powerful; it's cowardly and pathetic. Explain yourself sir.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Jon Inactive Member |
I think I've made my thoughts on this matter pretty clear already in other threads here, so I'll be brief:
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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vimesey Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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And how many Muslims have you actually sat down, spoken with, and listened to, in order to arrive at your understanding about their faith, their beliefs and their world view ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Jon writes:
If folks like Mr. "You ain't no Muslim" want to really prove they are moderate, liberal, and enlightened, they need to throw off Islam; denounce that bastard prophet of theirs as the wicked and despicable piece of shit that he really was. Hence the lie and him being a pathetic coward. Well that's pretty damned ignorant and idiotic. This thread seems to bring out the worst in people.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If we said as Jon suggested, They would make us give up Jesus.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Jon Inactive Member |
Plenty. And why do you want to defend people's idolizing and following of a piece of shit like Muhammad?
Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
So you have no real objection then other than to implicitly defend folks who worship rapist theocratic warlords and to refer to people who think it'd be better if they didn't as idiots.
Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Huh? Why would anyone make you give up Jesus?
I don't think we should make anyone give up their incestuous xenophobic prophet. But I also think we need to be honest with ourselves and others in pointing out just who it is that's being idolized by supposedly moderate and well-adjusted Muslims. I mean, really, what the fuck is anyone anyone doing following this guy?Love your enemies!
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Generally the opposite of constructive, informed discussion would be unsupported assertions and/or short one sentence responses.
Again, I'm not playing a moderator role in this thread, so no one has to listen to me, but the thread has been fairly measured up to this point, and it would be nice if that could continue. --Percy
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vimesey Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Let's have a look at the friendly neighbourhood Christian God - someone who ordered a bloke to be stoned to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath - someone who ordered his followers to commit genocide - someone who himself carried out the most comprehensive genocide you could ever imagine.
This is the same God who Christians nowadays (or at least the majority of them) worship as a kind, loving and forgiving God. In your view, should they also acknowledge that they are worshiping a sadistic, cruel and power-hungry overlord, and renounce their faith in order to be seen to be leading a decent life ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
dronestar writes: Some states (most?, all?) don't allow convicted sociopathic axe murderers to vote or serve on jury duties. Do you think that is also a mistake? Should sociopaths be allowed to influence your society/culture? Should convicted child rapists be allowed to teach in school? I thought we where talking about countries, cultures doing evil things in the name of hegemony. I thought your point was that since the U.S. and it's allies are guilty of invading, bombing and killing then when the shoe is on the other foot ISIL is justified in they're actions in turnabout is fair play. A nations past sins do not mean the country forfeits the possibility of redemption. The U.S. nuked Hiroshima . Do we now forfeit any credibility to speak out now against doing such a thing? The U.S. has conducted Syphilis trials in the past,violating subjects confidence and health. Doe that mean the U.S. must now be looked upon as incapable of conducting honest clinical trails with subject consent, safety being crucial? I get the feeling you think the U.S. and it's allies are deserved of ISILS brutality and are reaping what they sowed. I am reminded of this poem for some reason.
quote: Take care dronestar."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
The US was founded by the evil warlord George Washington. Do we condemn all present-day Americans because of that?
1.Islam was founded by the evil rapist and warlord Muhammad....
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