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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
Think Phat. AbE: seriously, think. Who depends on Social Security? Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Who depends on Social Security?
The working class...those of us who don't make enough to save much and who can't rely on family inheritance.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not really Phat. It is only the old and sick and injured that rely on Social Security.
Now consider the young working class. When the candidate tells them that they will get to keep 10% more every paycheck so they can prepare for their future if they elect him; who will they vote for? Old sick and injured never put on successful revolutions. Young folk are indestructible and will never get old.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The working class...those of us who don't make enough to save much Interesting. So someone who busts his butt fixing air conditioners or doing electrical wiring and manages to take home say, 60k is not working class according to you. That dude or gal would be pretty much bourgeoisie if we let you tell it. No wonder you feel put upon. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
No...I'm not saying that. I'm saying that working class is under 80 k. They make enough to pay rent and house payments and support their families...but they cannot save enough to retire with 300k or so...they need social security. And if the wealthy of this country abandon the old and the sick, may God take vengeance on this country.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: And if the wealthy of this country abandon the old and the sick, may God take vengeance on this country. It is unlikely that it will be the wealthy that are the issue but rather the young working class voters that will elect the people that will gut Social Security.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As NN said, it is possible to be working class and make quite a lot of money, there is no necessary equation between working class and inability to save or even be pretty well off. I know someone who works for AT&T climbing power poles all day long, often working overtime, whose wife does nails -- fingernails, toenails -- and between them they make something like 150K a year. They do better than a lot of "white collar" workers. I also had a friend who bought a house and saved a lot of money for his retirement driving a cement mixer. Truck drivers can make a LOT of money too.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Thats horrible. Is it the same bunch that elected Trump? In my opinion, even immigrants would vote to keep social security, as they respect the old.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's a pretty poor analysis. If the people always win, who loses?
The people always win, in the final analysis.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Perhaps I mean that the majority of people win.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Historically the majority of people lose.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
My father used to say that people get the government they deserve. Maybe that's what you mean.
Perhaps I mean that the majority of people win.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
What I am trying to do is propose the government that we the people should have. A fair one. If I can get a majority to agree with me as to what constitutes fairness, this train may yet leave the station.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's a tall order. Not only are you promising everybody a rose garden but you're assuming that everybody will like roses. If I can get a majority to agree with me as to what constitutes fairness, this train may yet leave the station. The "fairness" that you propose seems to rest on you staying above the dregs of the working class. How is that fair to them?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The "fairness" that you propose seems to rest on you staying above the dregs of the working class. How is that fair to them?
Point taken. But we have a no-win situation. How is it fair to me to be stuck with the masses...unable to rise?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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