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Author Topic:   AntiGod education should not be compulsary (even for non wealthy)
simple 
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Message 180 of 281 (85277)
02-11-2004 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by AdminTL
02-10-2004 11:24 PM


indeed!
It's anti God anti Christ, in that it tries to
replace God's creation, with the creature
creating itself, it leaves no room for the Savior, It says God is a liar, and it was
designed to destroy faith in God.
At least this provides something to discuss and is more than a bare assertion. Maybe you can use
this one as an example to follow in future responses.
Well, I'll try to figure out exactly what it is you want, if I can. It's a little confusing though, as it seems the fellow with the baboon theory elicited no correction from you-as some others didn't so I'm trying to digest how such ignorant 'debating' seems fine with you.
Common ancestors with flies is indeed a teaching of evolution
Thank you I was waiting for someone to admit that.

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Message 181 of 281 (85279)
02-11-2004 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Minnemooseus
02-11-2004 12:21 AM


Re: ideas causing a buzzz
::: The COLLAPSE of DARWINISM :::
Can't find a coherent thought to get around in your post, but glad you enjoyed the muslim link which thrashes evolution quite soundly

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Message 182 of 281 (85281)
02-11-2004 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Coragyps
02-10-2004 10:40 AM


Santa baby crawling out your pond tonight
Very like Santa. But for grownups, too
Precisely! Many poor children find out Santa is not real, amd then begin to wonder if other things they were taught are also false. One reason we need to teach the truth.
By the way do most evolutionists then, really, not believe in the supernatural? My experience thus far would certainly suggest this very strongly. (Except for the occult ones who don't want to flaunt it, or admit what they really believe)

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simple 
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Message 184 of 281 (85284)
02-11-2004 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Atheist641
02-11-2004 12:15 AM


take your business elsewhere
So, if I go to my local cafe and look at the menu and they don't mention god in the menu, does that
mean they are anti-god
If they don't teach you came from flies crawling around sewage to your children, whether you like it or not, and if you have to go to jail if you don't eat in the restarant, and if you are forced to pay for the restaurant with your tax money,and you find the service lousy, and if the product you end up eating just didn't turn out right at all-then, unless you are an evolutionist, I would suggest you take your business elsewhere!
As far as proving anything to you as fact- that would be for so many evo thumpers impossible because the way many got in that stste according to the bible was beacause they rejected the truth-and were GIVEN delusion. So, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still!

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simple 
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Message 189 of 281 (85303)
02-11-2004 2:46 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Taqless
02-11-2004 1:50 AM


good for the goose, good for the gander
So, do you think people who can't have kids, grandparents, and homosexuals should cry as well
about paying taxes for schools
I think the opinion I brought up was a nation "under God". So as long as the education is reflective of, and servant to the Christian majority, then fine. When it becomes oppressive, and tyranical, not honoring God, ot His people, then it must be fought. So if the people you mentioned don't mind paying taxes to a system that does not shun Jesus, that is fine by me. If one lived in Israel, or Iran, they should not complain about not having God taught in school publicly. Or about having Allah, or Jewish teachings somewhat prominent?

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simple 
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Message 200 of 281 (85507)
02-11-2004 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by crashfrog
02-11-2004 1:23 AM


guidelines
Why don't we talk about what we can agree on - repeatable, objective evidence?
Sounds reasonable. Let the kids have Jesus, and we'll talk reason. Meanwhile, if science could have knowledge as to (I'm not saying we do) use a microchip, to work as a device making a man into a sort of part machine, part man, bypassing free decision making process, would we have to use this science? Or if we had a way to splice a child with a horse, would this be something had to learn, teach, and implement? I think we need some guidelines for a moral code of some kind.

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Message 201 of 281 (85512)
02-11-2004 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Taqless
02-11-2004 1:32 AM


where what why when and how!
Since ToE is a problem for the bible not god..
Which God?
So, your faith/belief in god is by proxy(kinda)
Sent from Heaven, and written in black and white, and read all over.
You think god existed before and exists WITHOUT the bible
Before Abraham was, I am, ..yes, which our tinsie minds can't really grasp, since we are now living in time (which will soon end!) As far as to whether He wrote the Bible before we happened to be sent our copy, I don't know. Unless you were there with Him then, I guess you don't know either!
No matter what inconsistencies might exist in the bible
It's very simple, clear and consistant on all the important things like why we're here, when we were made, what's coming soon, and where our way to live forever is. (Jesus)
Speaking of consistant, how's your vestial organs doing?

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Message 202 of 281 (85516)
02-11-2004 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Silent H
02-11-2004 6:51 PM


God and country
Hey, from now on tell them that if the pledge without "under God" was good enough for our
Greatest Generation, it is good enough for you. What... they got something wrong with the heroes
of WW2???
Are you saying a certain recitation in the US wasn't made by what you call heros, and therefore God is not essential? I think that the poor boys (girls) who died either in that war (to save the world for 'democracy),were duped. As well as the 'war to end all wars' before it. I think many of them now, in heaven, would not be happy at the state of the country they died for! I don't think tossing out God from the nation, was their idea of why they died for "God and country".

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simple 
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Message 205 of 281 (85523)
02-11-2004 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Trixie
02-11-2004 4:55 PM


Re: common misconception
OK, how can plants, then animals then man become plants then man then animals when
you look more closely?
Man never became plants, or animals became man, or any such thing. Everthing according to it's seed. Man beget men, etc. You know one place I most came upon such supposed contradictions? Years ago someone showed me I believe it was called a 'satanic bible'. In it it was a whole book full of what it tried to portray as bible contadictions! I remember one example in it. there are 2 verses back to back I think in 'Proverbs' one that says 'answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be also like him.' And then the next verse, it says "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceits.'. So I came to understand that all of these circulating supposed misconceptions were really nonscense! Many don't even know the source of most of them. They are simply meant to try to overthrow people's faith in God. It seems especially designed for 'new christians' or potential believers, to keep them, if possible, from getting any further. The book of Revelations uses the flashback thing a lot too. If you look at something called the 'preponderance of the scriptures' it means you try and get a big picture, balancing overall, what it must mean, despite what it may look like in a particular place.

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Message 208 of 281 (85529)
02-11-2004 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Loudmouth
02-11-2004 4:44 PM


stakes are high
No student will ever go to jail for saying "I don't believe in evolution"
When I refered to jail, it was if their parents tried to keep the from the compusary education altogether. But do not some children make the news for getting suspended for praying, or carrying a bible, and those kinds of things?
establishment of a national religion could result in non-christians going to jail/burning at
the stake
I don't think personally Jesus was religious. And I know He healed and raised the dead, but He never hurt anyone. (Possible exception overthrowing the moneytables at the temple-but I doubt it). Burning at stake? Romans did it to Christians! So we're not talking denomination, like the Inquisition in Europe. Just promoting faith, not killing it.

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Message 210 of 281 (85537)
02-11-2004 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Asgara
02-11-2004 8:10 PM


leave room for zoom
In one
account the order of creation is plant, animal, man and in the other account the order
of creation is plant, man, animal.
In Gen 2 19th verse, it is recountin now what was already done, reviewing. How that " ..out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and foul of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them:.." and then goes on to talk about the naked woman He created for him as well, that he woke up beside out of sleep. It also points out they were not at all ashamed. So here they are not being created again, just mentioned, and zoomed in on. But thanks for pointing out her concern.

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simple 
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Message 212 of 281 (85543)
02-11-2004 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Cthulhu
02-11-2004 8:19 PM


you must admit..
No, you don't, because it doesn't happen.
[about suspension for christian students] Glad you said that. Here is a few of them, Obviously the forum would not want me posting page after page after page full. (links included if full articles desired)
Illinois Student Broadcaster Suspended For Saying 'God Bless' Reinstated
Melanie Hunter
Deputy Managing Editor
(CNSNews.com) - An Illinois high school student suspended for saying "God Bless" on the air has been reinstated to anchor the daily newscast, which is aired on the closed circuit television system at the school.
( Illinois Student Broadcaster Suspended For Saying 'God Bless' Reinstated - Christian News Headlines )
Middle school student suspended for harassing teacher about religion
September 30, 2003
By AMY GATLEY
COLONIAL HEIGHTS - A Colonial Heights Middle School student was suspended last week after she encouraged another student to put a religious pamphlet on a teacher's desk.
School officials say the eighth-grader was not suspended for handing out religious material, but for repeatedly discussing her beliefs with a teacher after being told not to.
Middle school student suspended for harassing teacher about religion
January 05, 2003
Student suspended for distributing Christian message - US
Seven Westfield (Boston) High School students were notified early yesterday that they would be suspended from class for distributing candy canes with religious notes to their classmates before Christmas
http://www.anglicanmedia.com.au/news/archives/000315.php
So we see, you are wrong!

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simple 
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Message 215 of 281 (85597)
02-11-2004 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Asgara
02-11-2004 8:52 PM


Re: you must admit..
"2003-OCT-1: TN: Student suspended over creationism: A grade eight student at the Colonial Heights Middle School in Kingsport TN was suspended because she failed to follow an order to stop discussing religion in class. The problem began in science class when the teacher was discussing the big-bang theory about the origin of the universe. Some students objected, saying that it conflicted with their religious beliefs. The teacher told them that she could not lead a religious discussion in science class. Principle William Cline is reported as saying that this led to a rumor mill concerning the teacher's religious beliefs that was harmful to the teacher and disrupted learning. Cline is reported as saying that when a student allegedly encouraged another pupil to put a religious pamphlet on the teacher's desk, the teacher "felt like it was a form of harassment." The student was suspended" Religion in U.S. public schools - Recent developments
Page not found - WND
Homepage - adherents
I think it's clear the evos are bullying. But you call'm like u c'em. We will not agree it is a healthy godly atmosphere. Big change a comin real real soon.

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Message 217 of 281 (85613)
02-11-2004 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Silent H
02-11-2004 7:58 PM


almost a wrap
I am saying that the heroes of the US had many different Gods and feelings about their Gods.
But the one feeling they had at a time of GREAT PATRIOTISM TO THIS COUNTRY... is that
their belief in God had nothing to do with their belief in this nation
And in flander's fields and places, there are miles of evo fishes, row on row! They say there are no atheists in foxholes. I have always been taught that these boys thought they were fighting for God, as well as keeping their people free from evil. Anyhow, we have expressed opinions, and get a good idea where each ones stand. Yhat pretty well covers it here I think. Any last minute add ons or points while the thread is open?

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Message 220 of 281 (85636)
02-12-2004 12:46 AM
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02-11-2004 11:54 PM


hitchy learned here
Actually, except for where you put your own words in, it was pretty good!

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