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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
candle2 writes:
I hope this will answer your question ... Dredge, could you tell me the reason(s) the RCCreplaced the 7th Day Sabbath with Sunday? Worship on Saturday or Sunday? | Catholic Answers
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
candle2 writes:
I don't know.
do you think that all these denominations switchedfrom the 7th Day Sabbath to Sunday because they agree that the RCC had the authority to order the switch?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
There are probably more reliable sources of information than South Park. Such as the investigation by the Boston Globe into the massive cover-up by the Catholic Church of the sexual abuse of children by priests. The movie, Spotlight (2015), tells the story of that investigation. They worked closely with the actual journalists who had conducted that investigation.
It starts with the movie trailer, which also appears on its own:
If you weren't so preoccupied with sucking up mass quantities of scum from the bottom, you wouldn't be so willfully ignorant (and willfully stupid). When the movie came out I heard an interview on NPR about the film: Film Shines A 'Spotlight' On Boston's Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal : NPR ; eg:
quote: quote: Building that spreadsheet. It took four long days for them to go through those Church catalogs and enter that data into the spreadsheet. They described it as the most mind-numbingly tedious work they had ever done and that they were amazed at how the director was able to make that scene look exciting. I also remember this part of the interview about how over lunch the actors were carefully studying the journalists they were to portray:
quote: And of course that's just one investigation into a far more extensive system of abuse and coverup by the Church. Nor is such abuse restricted to the Catholic Church; they're just so much larger, better organized, and wealthier than other churches. Stand-up joke at the time:
quote: BTW, South Park did do a bang-up job on Scientology, so don't try to sell them short. They have infinitely more on the ball than you do -- though you do set a very low bar.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I watched quite a few clips from the movie, as well as interviews such as this one:
The Catholic Church is much greater than its weaknesses...but I feel that the coverup of the Priests and ignorance towards the victims is and was reprehensible. Cardinal Law was well aware of the abuse within Boston, yet the Vatican transferred him to the second largest church in Rome--behind only St.Peters itself. Dredge, you have to admit that Roman Catholics are as likely to be sinners as folks in any other church and are not superior in any way. Only Jesus is superior to the rest of humanity. And knowing Jesus does not absolve any of us of our responsibility to our community. It deepens it, it anything.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dredge, I read the article, and I would like to comment
one at a time. 1Corinthians 16:1-2 "Now concerning the collection forthe saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye." "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you layby him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." These two verses address the issue of the saints(Christians) in Jerusalem, who were enduring an extended famine. The collection was for them. It was not a tithe for theChurch. Paul was asking for more than money. He also wantedfood items. Such as dried meats; fruits; and, vegetables. Some of these items needed to be harvested andprepared, which required manual labor. In other words, Paul was asking them to do the manuallabor on Sunday, which was nothing more than a common work day.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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There are probably more reliable sources of information than South Park. I'm sure there are, but none of them come from the catholic church and they all show the same thing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/...-catholic-sex-abuse-reportStop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Phat writes:
When did I ever claim otherwise? Catholics are sinners just like everyone else ... which doesn't disprove my claim that the CC is the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ.
Dredge, you have to admit that Roman Catholics are as likely to be sinners as folks in any other church and are not superior in any way.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Yes indeed ... the unholy altar-boy-molesting homosexuals hiding amongst the Church's clergy have done a great deal of damage. Weed out the queers and the problem will become virtually non-existent.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Dredge writes: Catholics are sinners just like everyone else ... which doesn't disprove my claim that the CC is the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ. Catholics are people just like everyone else. People founded the RC Church, not gods. The RC Church is behaving like any other manmade corrupt and insular cult that believes itself to be beyond the laws of man. And it's been that way since its beginning. What kind of lessor god would build and tolerate such a thing?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Dredge writes: Yes indeed ... the unholy altar-boy-molesting homosexuals hiding amongst the Church's clergy have done a great deal of damage. Weed out the queers and the problem will become virtually non-existent. One of the many things that sicken me about you fundamentalists is how totally un-Christian you are. I'm an atheist, but I'm ten times the Christian you are. Putting aside the disgusting prejudice displayed in your statement, the Roman Catholic Church as an institution did the opposite of “weeding out the queers”, it hid them, protected them and moved them around so that they could abuse even more. It put - and is still putting - its own brand management above its duty to protect children. A very human and corrupt institution - no god involved.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dredge, this is in response to Colossians 2:16-17.
It reads: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, orin respect of an holiday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days." "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the bodyis of Christ." Paul was addressing a heresy by false teachers, whohad wormed their way into the church at Colosse. They were introducing their own religious philosophy,which was deceiving the Colossian Christians. The false teachers were steeped in ascetism. Theybelieved that denying the body would bring them spiritual enlightenment. It is important to note (verse 13) that the majority ofColossian Christians were Gentiles. They were enforcing their man-made doctrines upon theChristians at Colosse. Vs. 21 "Touch not; taste not; handle not. The Christians at Colosse were observing the holy daysand Sabbaths in a joyous and festive manner. Sabbaths are feast day. They ate and drank in gladness. Notice that "meat" in vs. 16 is from "brosis," which refersto the act of eating. It has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of meat/food. Also, new moons are not holydays. They are the methodin which to keep track of the holydays. Vs.16 says to let no one judge you in respect of thesedays. The Colossian Christians had respect for the holydaysand the Sabbath days. Paul said not to let the ascetic philosophers judge them. Verse 17 states that these holydays and Sabbaths are ashadow of things to come. They are not shadows of things done away with. Paul advised the Christians at Colosse to focus theirenergy on Christ, and not the false teachers. Paul admonished the Christians not to let anyone spoilthem through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Nowhere does the Bible refer to the holydays andSabbaths as "rudiments of the world." Paul observed the Sabbaths and holydays, as does myChurch. The holydays outline God's plan of salvation for us.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion: Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! |
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dredge, the RCC also rely on Acts 20:7 to show that
Sunday is the new worship day, replacing the seventh day Sabbath Acts 20:7 "And upon the first day of the week, when thedisciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." The assumption is that "to break bread" is synonymouswith the Lord's Supper. Furthermore, they assert the this was a Sunday-go-to-meeting in which they broke bread, which signifies that they observed the Lord's Supper. However, the Lord's Supper is nothing but the Passovermeal. Passover always begins in the evening on the 14 day ofNissan. And, the feast of unleavened bread begins the very next day. These are fixed dates. Notice in Luke 22:14 "And when the hour was come, Hesat down, and the twelve Apostles with Him." 15. "With desire I have desired to eat this Passover withyou before I suffer." In verses 17-19 Jesus gave them wine and brake bread,which represented His shed blood and His body. Instead of roasting a lamb without blemish, Jesusreplaced it with wine that represented His blood and unleavened bread that represented His body. But, make no mistake, this was the Passover meal. And,It is observed once a year on the 14th of Nissan. It is important to notice verse 6, where it is recorded thatthis particular "first day of the week" was shortly after the days of unleavened bread. This signifies that Passover had just passed; thereby,Paul and the other disciples did not meet to partake of the Lord's Supper (Passover), but to eat a meal. there are many examples in the NT where the expression"Break bread" was equated with eating a meal. Acts 2:42, 46; Matthew 14:19 & 15:36; Mark 6:41; 8:6, 19.also Luke 9:16. Bread was not sliced at that time. One would simplybreak a piece off. Paul and the other disciples met shortly after sundownon Sunday, which we would equate as Saturday on our calenders. Remember that God's day began at the going down ofthe sun. Paul was leaving the next day. They got together to hearhim speak; also, to eat a meal, which verse 11 stated that they did. It is interesting that in the daylight hours on this first dayof the week, Paul walked 18-19 miles to reach Assos. This was not a rest day for him.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
What you don't have are the traditions handed down from the Apostles, some of which are not obvious in the Scriptures or are completely lacking in Scriptural support. Only the Catholic Church knows what those apostolic traditions are, because only the Catholic Church was there from the beginning. Sunday - not Saturday - worship is one such tradition handed down from the Apostles.
Without the knowledge and guidance of the Catholic Church, and by relying on the Bible alone, you can't possibly know all that the Apostles taught and practised, and can't possibly know or practise authentic Christianity. Your amateurish, hill-billy version of Christianity (which sounds a lot like Armstrongism) is deeply flawed and fake.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Your amateurish, hill-billy version of Christianity (which sounds a lot like Armstrongism) is deeply flawed and fake. Pot meets kettle.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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