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Chara Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by John:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Chara: [B][QUOTE]Originally posted by John: Well, there you have it. The Bible contains the criterion for the messiah. The bible also has the genealogy of Christ-- two in fact. Neither of them are valid messianic lines. Ergo, as per the Bible itself, Christ ain't the messiah. Oops![/B][/QUOTE] John, you have raised a valid question for which a suitable answer has not been made available to you. The absence of the answer does not prove your point. [/B][/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. However, in the absense of that answer my point stands. That is as proven as anything gets in the real world. But on to some specifics. This is the sort of thing which seems to me to be too blatantly obvious for there to not be a ready made response. In fact, it seems like there should be mountains of refutations, correct or not. Yet, I get no response. Nothing. You pick on, for example, the figure for pi in the OT and you get a firestorm. This attack upon the messiah gets nothing? Very strange indeed. [/B][/QUOTE] Bumped ... all the way over to here.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, these are different kinds of faith. The kind of faith that scienctists have in, for example, abiogenesis, is that were reliable, well-tested evidence to come forth which pointed away from abiogenisis, scientists would be required to change thir views. What evidence would cause you to abandon your religious faith?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hey, pretty good there Funky.
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logicalunatic Inactive Member |
1) Hate God? I feel the same way about Christians and God as you do about children and Santa Claus. We humor childrens' belief in Santa Claus. We don't think he actually exists (He Might) yet we continue to allow our children to believe in him untill they either figure it out for themselves or we finally disabuse them of the belief.
Works almost the same way with Christians and me. I don't know if he exists (He Might) because there is no evidence pointing in either direction. In my opinion Christians have had this belief long enough and if they haven't figured it out for themselves they need to be disabused of it. Not because God isn't real but because we don't know if he's real and, whether he is or not can't be tested. 2) Why don't I believe that God exists? Believe me, I would love to have a big brother watching my back but I'm not going to believe that until I see some evidence. And an out of date book touting God's realness based on itself as evidence is NOT evidence.
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logicalunatic Inactive Member |
quote: Sorry, I'm coming into this a little bit late BUT...Does prayer make a difference? That can and has been tested. The most influential of these tests can be read about here.(long) Of all the studies I've found on prayer, the only ones that pass scientific muster are inconclusive. Does prayer make a difference? That can be tested and a hypothesis about whether or not prayer works is falsifiable. What can't be falsified is the idea that God answers prayers. More than likely, when you pray for something small to happen and that small thing does in fact happen, the outcome is determined either by chance or by your actions and not God's. If you want something, why do you have to, "meet God half way?" Have you ever read the book Where the Red Fern Grows? In the book the main character prays to God for the two red-bone coon hounds that he saw in the paper. He ended up getting the two puppies after two years of hard work and then attributed his gain to God's will. He claimed that God gave him strength to work as hard as he did to get the cash to buy the pups. Isn't it possible that it was merely his belief in God that gave him the strength? That sounds much more likely to me. LogicaLunatichttp://www.objectivity.tk
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logicalunatic Inactive Member |
quote: Then I have a question for you... What makes you trust faith? LogicaLunatic
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logicalunatic Inactive Member |
The bible has stood through more attacks then any other book. Why? because it completely contradicts the world view. No thats not why. The Bible and Christianity are still around for two main reasons...
I don't think any other book in history has been combed over to the extent of the bible and yet it stands. Why? because it is God's word. Nope, see above. LogicaLunatic
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logicalunatic Inactive Member |
Well, it appears I have come too late I always find it very annoying when I read all the way through a thread and have it basically come to a conclusion and then some FT starts replying to posts from the very beginning.
Whoops... LogicaLunatic
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John Inactive Member |
quote: And prayer failed, at least in this study. The article that got my attention is here:
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easybud Inactive Member |
FIRST HE CREATED ALL THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN PERFECT. GAVE THEM EVERYTHING. THAN ONE OF THEM SINNED! THAN INSTEAD OF CLEANING THAN ANGEL OF SIN IT CAUSED. GOD LET IT LOOSE. THAN IT DECIEVED A THIRD OF GODS ANGELS. HE COULD HAVE CLEANED HIS UNIVERSE OF THAT SIN BEFORE HE CREATED MANKIND BUT HE DID NOT. LET SIN RAN FREE. THAN GOD KNOWNING ALL THINGS CREATED MANKIND AS A FALL GUY HIS SIN PROBLEM HE HAD IN HIS UNIVERSE. KNOWNING MAN WOULD FALL ALSO!!! NOW ONLY 2 SPIRITS SINNED IN THAT GARDEN!!! THE BIBLE SAYS CHILDREN ARE NOT TO BE BLAMED FOR THE SINS OF THE PARENTS. BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. THE CHILDREN ARE ALL BORN IMPERFECT AND IN SIN!!! THE BIBLE LIED!!! I AM SO HURT WHAT GOD DID TO ME. I WAS BORN IMPERFECT IN SIN SPIRITUAL DEAD BLINDED BY SIN AND TO MAKE THINGS WORSE I WAS BORN WITH BRAIN DAMAGE NERVOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS. ALL MY LIFE I HAVE MADE ONE MISTAKE AFTER ANOTHER. I AM 51 YEARS OLD NOW AND STILL GOD HAS NOT HONORED HIS WORD OF GOD IN MY LIFE!!! ALWAYS MAKING SO MANY PROMISES. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN WRONG BY MAN. I WISH GOD WOULD STAND BY HIS WORD THAT MAN WROTE. I AM IN SUCH PAIN NOW CAN HARDLY MAKE IT TO WORK. I ALWAYS GO BY FAITH IN HIS WORD. GOD ALWAYS LETS ME DOWN. I KNOW HE IS EVERYWHERE AT ONCE PSALM 139. I WISH HE WOULD CARE MORE ON A CHILD HE CREATED AND HAD BORN HERE IN SIN WHICH WAS NOT EVEN MY FAULT. GOD IS THE ONE THAT CREATED ALL OF US AND HAD ALL OF US BORN THE WAY WE ARE TODAY IN SIN AND WITH A DEVIL EVIL BEING GOD LETS RAN FREE. GOD SEEMS SO VERY CRUEL WHAT HE DID TO MANKIND. I HATE LIFE AND NEVER WANTED IT BUT GOD DID IT TO ME. I HATE GOD FOR GIVING ME LIFE HERE ON THIS EARTH. SEEMS SO CRUEL LET A DEVIL EVIL BEING RAN FREE
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easybud Inactive Member |
MAN WROTE THE BIBLE GOD DID NOT. THE BIBLE LIED. THE CHILDREN ARE NOT TO BE BLAMED FOR THE SINS OF THE PARENTS. THAT IS IN GODS WORD WRITTEN BY MAN. BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO ADAM EVE CHILDREN. NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BLAMED FOR THE SINS OF THE PARENTS. THEY WERE BORN IN SIN SPIRITUAL DEAD BLINDED BY SIN DEATH HAD CONTROL OVER TINY LITTLE CHILDREN THAT NEVER DID ANYTHING WRONG NEVER. WE ARE ALL SPIRITS BEINGS IN THIS WORLD. THEY WERE BLAMED FOR THE SINS OF THEIR PARENTS. THAT IS AGANIST WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. BIBLE GODS WORD LIED. I HATE BEING BORN IN SIN IMPERFECT ON WHAT OTHERS HAD DONE!!! THAT IS NOT EVEN FAIR JUST OR RIGHT. HOW GOD CAN BE SO CRUEL. HAVING TINY LITTLE BABIES BORN IN SIN IMPERFECT AND PUT THEM ALL WITH SUCH EVIL SINFUL DEVIL. GOD IS VERY CRUEL TO WHAT HE DID TO MANKIND. MANKIND NEVER DID ANYTHING TO GOD BUT GOD SURE DID IT TO US. VERY CRUEL
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You know what's better than hating God?
Realizing that you're spending a lot of time and effort hating something that doesn't exist. Seriously, give atheism a try. You might get a little peace of mind. Also, turn off your caps lock. All caps are very hard to read.
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easybud Inactive Member |
Very hard for me to type the other way like this!!! I have to keep putting down the Shift key to put cap where it goes!!! Oh well I will try Sorry about that! I was just going thr a Hard day! I am a Born Again Christian! I had a really Cool Experience with GOD in the Past, Plus I also Recieved the Holy Spirit from GOD! yes their really is a GOD in the Universe! I know that for a fact! We all have to be Born Again in the Spirit! we are all Spirit beings Living Inside a body! GOD is a Spirit He Created all of us in his Image! Now when you Recieve Jesus Christ as Savior From this Sinful Place we are all Born Into!!! The Living Holy GOD Sends his Holy Spirit down From Heaven to Give New Birth to your Spirit that was Born dead in this Life! I have Gone Thr that Experience already! it is like I am a Brand New Person on the Inside of me! But the Old Self of me Fights Back! At Times I go thr Depression Due to the Old Self of Sin Death I was born into! The Lord Jesus Christ BLESS you with the Wisdom He Gave me! I know the Lord will Jesus Christ Name a'men so be it THank You GOD of LOVE! Love You Brother Larry
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Wow.
Mood swing much, do we?
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