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Author Topic:   Man raised back to life in Jesus' name
jar
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Message 291 of 300 (283222)
02-01-2006 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Faith
02-01-2006 2:30 PM


Job
Job is both blameless and upright. There is no indication anywhere in the book of original sin. The inflictions he suffers are not related to anything that Job does, or does not do, but rather to a direct request from GOD for Satan to test whether or not Job fears God and shuns evil because the Lord has "put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land."
Satan suggests "But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
To test that GOD says, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
So what Job suffers is not related at all to original Sin but to the direct wishes of GOD.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 293 of 300 (283231)
02-01-2006 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Faith
02-01-2006 3:59 PM


Re: Job
What does any of that have to do with the Book of Job? In the book of Job the causes of Job's suffering is quite clearly shown, and it is not Original Sin.
While there are allusions to the Fall in the Bible, and even ones that can be stretched to assert they point to Original Sin, when you actually read the Genesis account there is no support for either the idea of a Fall or of Original sin.
Start a thread on the subject and we can discuss it.
But I have show that there is no support for using the concept of Original Sin or the Fall or even that Satan is a Fallen Angel in the book of Job. In Job Satan is only carrying out the wishes and commands of GOD.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
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From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 298 of 300 (283237)
02-01-2006 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by Faith
02-01-2006 4:09 PM


Re: Job
Yes, that is what your sect of Christianity believes. However, if you will start a thread on the subject we can see if it is a supportable position.
Yes, God decreed his suffering at the request of the devil. This is the reason for his suffering. But it would not have been possible if Job were perfectly righteous.
So you believe GOD is limited by a humans relative righteousness?
Original sin is inferred from other parts of the Bible.
Fine. Start a thread on it and we can discuss it. Perhaps you can even convince me that there was a Fall or anything like Original Sin. Are you open to being persuaded there there was no Fall and there is no Original Sin?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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