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Topic: What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 31 of 300 (294776)
03-13-2006 12:00 AM
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It really is that simple.
If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence against her existence. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of the evidence for His existence.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 150 of 300 (295199)
03-14-2006 11:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 145 by Phat
03-14-2006 10:22 AM
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John MacArthur...
begins with a whole host of unsupported assertions and sweeps downhill from there. He begins with this diatribe:
In this post-modern era, one virtue is esteemed above all others: tolerance. As a matter of fact, tolerance may soon be the only virtue secular society will embrace. Many traditional virtues (including humility, self-control, and chastity) have already fallen out of public favor and in some quarters are openly scorned or even regarded as transgressions. But where is the evidence? Where does he support the assertion that humility, self-control and chastity have fallen out of public favor? Where is his honesty or humility, why does he not say that in his opinion those things have fallen out of favor even if he is unable to support his position? Moreover, nothing in any of the links really has anything to do with the subject of this thread.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
evolution takes faith Nonsense. There is no Faith involved in either Evolution or accepting the TOE. Evolution is simply a fact. It happened. The TOE is accepted based on the evidence from many disciplines that show it is the best explanation for what is seen. There is nothing there to take on Faith. Neither has anything to do with the intial question of what evidence rules out a creator. So far no one has offered any convincing evidence that rules out a creator.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
I'm sorry but that is just prattle, gibberish.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
So you keep asserting.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think: Jar the "Theist"
Yeah Ray.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
One that has been refuted numerous times. I'm sorry robin, but the fact that I accept the TOE and also believe in GOD, the Christian GOD refutes your assertions. QED
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
No,you have said that a acceptance of evolution rules out a creator. I point to an individual who accepts evolution and belives in a creator. Therefor, accepting evolution does not rule out a belief in a creator. QED. In addition, as I have pointed out many times before: If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that rules out Her existence. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any evidence that proves Its existence.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
Whatever robin. Sorry but IMHO you are spouting shere nonsense, babble. Humans can never have anything except a belief in GOD. We cannot know for sure and anyone who says that they know for sure is simply fooling themselves.
My view is that the belief in Christianity and in evolution at the same time is illogical, whether you and 100 million Catholics believe it or not. And that is fine. No one cares about your beliefs. You are free to believe anything. I have no problem with you holding that belief and as long as you state it as a belief, I would not object. It is only when you start staing it as fact that I even bother to answer. There, you are 100% wrong. In addition, as I have pointed out many times before: If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that rules out Her existence. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any evidence that proves Its existence.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
I'm not sure about this "belief"/"fact" disjunction you've got going. Obviously if I believe something I think it's a fact; otherwise I wouldn't believe it. So I BELIEVE it is a FACT that evolution rules out God. LOL Thank's Robin. That's a jewel. I could not have asked for greater support for my position.
What we do on this board is build arguments and counter-arguments. I have built an argument and it's up to you or somebody else who does not believe it to refute it by building their own argument, not by saying, "Well, I believe in both Christianity and evolution, and therefore you are refuted." That's not an argument. Yup. You present your best support of your position. I present my best support of my position. And the readers will make up their own minds. I can certainly live with that.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 225 of 300 (296070)
03-16-2006 7:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 222 by iano
03-16-2006 6:47 PM
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Re: What do you think.
jar writes: We cannot know for sure and anyone who says that they know for sure is simply fooling themselves. to which iano replies:
How do you know that? Because GOD is beyond proof and verification. We can believe in Her, believe very strongly, but we cannot know. Once we've died we may find out, but until then I'm happy with just a belief.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 228 of 300 (296074)
03-16-2006 7:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 226 by iano
03-16-2006 7:11 PM
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Individual proof?
What you seem to say is that it is not possible for God to provide proof of his existance to an individual. I'm not even sure I can understand the concept of individual proof?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
You are free to believe I have not presented my evidence, but for the record I'll gladly provide it once again:
In addition, as I have pointed out many times before: If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that rules out Her existence. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any evidence that proves Its existence.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 232 of 300 (296083)
03-16-2006 7:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 230 by iano
03-16-2006 7:35 PM
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Re: Individual proof?
My answer to your funny little story, "No, my knowing I stubbed my toe is not proof that I stubbed my toe to anyone else." Once again, there is no evidence that can either prove or refute a Creator. If there was a creator, there was a creator regardless of what the evidence shows. If there was not a creator, then there was not a creator regardless of what the evidence shows. Trying to prove or disprove GOD is simply an absurd excercise for those who are unsure of their beliefs, either for or against. It is a futile waste of time since GOD is not dependant on whether or not anyone believes in Her.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What do you think.
You call that an argument? I'm saying that God does not exist--I'm not offering any "ifs" here--and I'm saying that evolution proves it. See my specific points in message #163. Yes, it is an argument, pretty damn strong one. robin, it doesn't matter what you believe. Your beliefs have NOTHING to do with reality. If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that rules out Her existence. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any evidence that proves Its existence
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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