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cavediver
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Message 194 of 208 (313834)
05-20-2006 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by iano
05-20-2006 7:54 AM


Re: Peer: through a glass darkly
With issues like something-out-of-nothing (one of Robins current interests) all there are are unevidenced hypotheses. Ideas, notions - thats it. Science fundamentalists cannot claim any high ground here.
Wrong. As much as "something out of nothing" is sufficiently ill-defined in layman's hands, this is part of active research. Was part of my active research. You may want to think that active theoretical research is no more valuable than the man-on-the-street's musings, but shall we compare track-records over the past century?
Robin's use of the term "sci-fi babble" wrt to what I write I find highly offensive. He is in no position whatsoever to judge.

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cavediver
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Message 198 of 208 (313846)
05-20-2006 9:25 AM
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05-20-2006 8:59 AM


Re: Peer: through a glass darkly
I think this was the very sort of thing that Robin objected to. No salesman can point to his past performance as a guarantee that he will sell in the future. No soldier to the fact he dodged 100 bullets that he is likely to dodge another.
And so the ignorance continues...
Tell me, when you need someone to service your bike, do you seek out someone with as little experience as possible with engineering to do your servicing? What, you do your servicing yourself? Why? Because you are so shit at engineering it seems the best way forward?

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cavediver
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Message 203 of 208 (313867)
05-20-2006 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by robinrohan
05-20-2006 10:44 AM


Re: Peer: through a glass darkly
Robin, I haven't the heart to insult you, tempting as it is
But neither have I the patience to discuss anything with you, especially given the mood you are in. If you have any serious questions based on anything I said in your thread, then I'll give them a shot...

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cavediver
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Message 205 of 208 (313877)
05-20-2006 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by robinrohan
05-20-2006 10:59 AM


Re: Peer: through a glass darkly
Can't we make a distinction here between science and philosophy?
I can't, no. Because I find my physics impinges on what I once thought was pure philosophy and/or theology.
If we take the idea of God that you have been using: creator, ultimate being, etc, then it would hardly be sensible to consider that entity as constrained by internal properties of the creation. At least, that is an assumption I am making.
When General Relativity tells me that time is merely an internal property of the universe, it leaves me with little choice than to consider this God as outside/unbound by what we call time.
Physics places lower limits on this creator God's attributes.

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cavediver
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Message 206 of 208 (313878)
05-20-2006 11:17 AM
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05-20-2006 10:59 AM


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Message 207 of 208 (313879)
05-20-2006 11:17 AM
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