Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,916 Year: 4,173/9,624 Month: 1,044/974 Week: 3/368 Day: 3/11 Hour: 0/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The problem with EVC
EZscience
Member (Idle past 5184 days)
Posts: 961
From: A wheatfield in Kansas
Joined: 04-14-2005


Message 8 of 208 (312434)
05-16-2006 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Heathen
05-16-2006 11:21 AM


Defending the format
creavolution writes:
The snobbery starts with the whole PNT system in my view.
Well there has to be determination of some threshold level of acceptability by someone, or it would just turn into a cluttered free-for-all.
creavolution writes:
I see a lot of the attitude on here as being like a school class trying hard to outdo each other . perhaps this is as a result of the high proportion of academic types?
Probably, but that’s part of the challenge isn’t? Not just winning a debate but trying to provide the most understandable explanation of things? Where’s your competitive instinct?
creavolution writes:
..the Mods on high, like the gods above.. deciding who shall play.
How is that different from the process of peer review in real science?
There have to be standards of performance and someone has to play referee.
I think it’s a fair replica of the real science world, imperfect though they both are.
creavolution writes:
I've only been here about a year, but already I see the futility of the whole thing.
I’m not so sure. Futile if your purpose is to convert Christians back to an atheist world view, yes, but not if you get satisfaction from pointing out all the fallacies of their arguments and preventing them from flogging dogma as science to those who are here to actually learn something.
creavolution writes:
personally, I came here to explore,
So haven’t you learned anything in the process of your debating? I mean, I don’t have an image of chirstians much different from yours, but I could care less about their narrow-minded dogma. I am here to clarify what evolution is really about and what it is useful for to those who are interested in learning and have sincere questions. Also to address challenges to my own conceptual framework that may be posed by the more educated and intelligent of the membership.
creavolution writes:
EVC is stagnant,
It is only a product of its members. If you feel it is stagnant, you are partly responsible as a member, or at least you are empowered to change that by introducing some new ideas.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2 by Heathen, posted 05-16-2006 11:21 AM Heathen has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 15 by Heathen, posted 05-16-2006 1:34 PM EZscience has replied
 Message 19 by Chiroptera, posted 05-16-2006 1:59 PM EZscience has replied

EZscience
Member (Idle past 5184 days)
Posts: 961
From: A wheatfield in Kansas
Joined: 04-14-2005


Message 9 of 208 (312436)
05-16-2006 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
05-16-2006 9:38 AM


Sour grapes
Robin, this sounds like a big bunch of sour grapes you had for breakfast. Try a change of diet...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by robinrohan, posted 05-16-2006 9:38 AM robinrohan has not replied

EZscience
Member (Idle past 5184 days)
Posts: 961
From: A wheatfield in Kansas
Joined: 04-14-2005


Message 18 of 208 (312471)
05-16-2006 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Heathen
05-16-2006 1:34 PM


Re: Defending the format
creavolution writes:
i..f peer review is the aim, aren't all contributors here 'peers'?
Well, if we want to follow the analogy - no. In the sense that graduate students are not qualified to be journal editors and referees. Unfortunately the peer review system is a tiered system where experience and qualifications determine your ranking. Given your own comments, would you want all members of the forum to have equal ranking to pass judgement on the posts of others (other than simply not replying)? The only qualification to show up here is a computer and an internet connection, so I think we need some qualified and impartial moderators to pass judgement once in a while.
creavolution writes:
bit of pat yourself on the back mentality, don't you think?
You could look at it that way (no offense taken). I prefer to consider it comparable to the satisfaction one derives from teaching a good lecture - you just don't see all the student's faces.
creavolution writes:
I feel that the learning has been despite rather than because of the attitudes here
You shouldn't let the attitudes of some of the creo's upset you or color your learning experience.
Pick your debates carefully and ignore the pedantic crap.
I would also point out that learning anything complex can be a daunting process and a struggle. Sometimes we only learn something because we have had to deal with problems that seem very annoying and frustrating at the time. That's normal in science as well. Chin up and keep posting

This message is a reply to:
 Message 15 by Heathen, posted 05-16-2006 1:34 PM Heathen has not replied

EZscience
Member (Idle past 5184 days)
Posts: 961
From: A wheatfield in Kansas
Joined: 04-14-2005


Message 20 of 208 (312477)
05-16-2006 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Chiroptera
05-16-2006 1:59 PM


Re: Defending the format
Absolutely.
As a researcher, I don't do much teaching, but there is no better exercise for clarifying your own concepts than having to explain them lucidly to someone else - especially when you meet with some resistance

This message is a reply to:
 Message 19 by Chiroptera, posted 05-16-2006 1:59 PM Chiroptera has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024