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Heathen
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Message 2 of 208 (312419)
05-16-2006 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
05-16-2006 9:38 AM


As a 'lay-person' I agree with your points,
The snobbery starts with the whole PNT system in my view. I come here make a post, ask a question, express a view point, and someone tells me my question/viewpoint is not valid and will not be considered. WTF???
If that is the case then the thread will die a natural death, no need for a termination. (In fact, I don't think I have ever had a PNT refused.. but the point remains true I think)
I see a lot of the attitude on here as being like a school class trying hard to outdo each other. PNTs submitted like term papers, and the Mods on high, like the gods above.. deciding who shall play.
perhaps this is as a result of the high proportion of academic types?
Wrt unanswered questions etc. I've thought before that it would be interesting to have something akin to a leader board.
If a poster refused to respond to a question you could maybe tick a box that records this, similarly for personal insults etc. thus say Creavolution would have X personal insult claims, Y questions he refused to answer.. and so on, a visual, but perhaps not conclusive record of his Posting standard.
Of course in reality this would lead to more petty squabbles and insults and would require a round the clock dedicated moderator.
I've only been here about a year, but already I see the futility of the whole thing. What do I care if people want to delude themselves about supernatural happenings, or evolution or abiogensis or 2000 year old books?
If it makes them happy well.. so be it.
personally, I came here to explore, to question the xians, to understand why they believe what they believe (because.. honestly, I would love to have that comfort, the ability not to have to think on deep unthinkable things).
what I have found is simply the most snide, arrogant, hateful, judgemental, pompous and most importantly.. frightened bunch of people I have ever had the misfortune to come into contact with. Every Xian on here, to me, is a stunning advertisement for agnosticism.
every argument falls when rigorously pursued, and so it should, for that is what religion/faith is all about, it was designed to be untestable, to instill fear and oppression onto the unthinking masses, to gain control over 'lesser humans'. It appears to be still working.
EVC is stagnant, the same old tripe gets churned up now and again, the same old paths get walked on, spat on, shat on. nothing new, no change, stuation normal.
/rant

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 11 of 208 (312452)
05-16-2006 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Funkaloyd
05-16-2006 11:30 AM


Those who throughout history have been intimidated, frightened and bullied into conforming with the churches belief systems.
The people who blindly follow what the churches teach, without a question simply because they are too afraid.
for example: The grip the catholic church has had on society and government in Ireland.

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Heathen
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Message 12 of 208 (312455)
05-16-2006 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by iano
05-16-2006 11:57 AM


saving grace?
the fact that it was a rant doesn't mean I think it's not true.
Edited by Creavolution, : edited for clarity

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 15 of 208 (312460)
05-16-2006 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by EZscience
05-16-2006 12:20 PM


Re: Defending the format
EZscience writes:
Well there has to be determination of some threshold level of acceptability by someone
indeed, and the lack of interest a thread creates will determine it's suitability for debate.
I've seen some interesting looking topics rejected before, I've seen possible new contributors shot down in some very condecending manners before.
Put the topic out there, if it's crap it won't last long, if it goes OT that will be taken care of in the usual way, if it becomes abusive, it wil be shut down.
EZscience writes:
Probably, but that’s part of the challenge isn’t?
when I mentiones school class attitude i was hinting at the snide little comments that appear too often, the ensueing insults, and the fingers in ears "lalala i can't hear you... it's my ball and I'm taking it home" behaviours.
EZscience writes:
How is that different from the process of peer review in real science?
There have to be standards of performance and someone has to play referee.
perhaps... as I said I'm not a scientist... but like I said above, if peer review is the aim, aren't all contributors here 'peers'? and as 'peers' we decide if a topic in worthy of reply. no replies->topic dies.
EZscience writes:
but not if you get satisfaction from pointing out all the fallacies of their arguments
this is kind of the school room attitude I mentioned above.. bit of pat yourself on the back mentality, don't you think? (no personal offence intended.. honestly)
EZscience writes:
So haven’t you learned anything in the process of your debating?
ok you got me there... I have learned, but I feel that the learning has been despite rather than because of the attitudes here, a lot of the time it's quite difficult to find useful information in a post here.

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 16 of 208 (312463)
05-16-2006 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by iano
05-16-2006 1:28 PM


You want evidence for personal insult? evidence for unanswered questions? evidence for snide comments?
have a read... it's all over the place, you yourself have been on the recieveing end as much as anyone.
(iano thinks: indeed I have mook... indeed I have! )

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Heathen
Member (Idle past 1314 days)
Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
Joined: 09-20-2005


Message 67 of 208 (312870)
05-17-2006 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by iano
05-17-2006 12:06 PM


iano writes:
You and they truly know the cause of the silence. The point will have struck home, acknowledged or otherwise.
Disagree, I have gone silent when arguing with some here out of sheer frustration, I have made my point again and again only to have it ignored completely or handwaved away... NOT because any point has 'hit home'

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