The problem with EVC

Here is what I see as the more significant problems with EvC Forum:

• Insufficient creationist participation as both regular members and as moderators.
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• Too many members who don't believe ignorance should be an obstacle to participation.
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• Too many members who don't know when they don't know.
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• Too many members who confuse casual dismissal of addlepated comments with ill treatment at the hands of snobs.

For those who recognize themselves in the above comments, or who at least have a strong feeling that it's them I'm talking about, let me assure you that we've all experienced having the best we can do be criticized and casually dismissed. If your gut reaction to this is always, "Well, they're jerks," instead of, "Let me examine whether I was truly being stupid, despite my best intentions," then you're not getting all you can out of the EvC experience. It isn't necessary to agree with science to understand it. But if you don't understand it then it is mere tilting at windmills to criticize it.--Percy

Unless what's wrong with EvC is whether FSM is a parody of God or ID, this thread is an example of inability to stay on-topic. --Percy

I think you've made what should be the important points for Robinrohan and Faith. The analytical approach (I'm actually talking about the scientific method) is not all there is to life, but it's certainly all there is to science. That's why it's emphasized here, because this is, at heart, a science site. This site was created to explore creationism's claim to being legitimate science.Creationists make a connection most scientists don't: they perceive evolution's impact on ideas of human origins as being equivalent to spirtual claims. They're not, but many creationists refuse to accept this and critisize evolution and science for failing to address the rest of the spirtual realm. They feel that science renders an opinion on our status as God's direct creation but leaves the rest of the spirtual realm unaddressed.This is, for the vast majority of scientists, as it should be. But craetionists perceive this as taking away faith and replacing it with a sterile, empty universe void of love and compassion and feeling.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Minor correction.

Perhaps someone can explain how this difference of opinion about FSM is indicative of what's wrong with EvC?--Percy

Well, trying to peel the onion here, how is something that seems reasonable to you but not to others a problem with EvC?Isn't the problem actually one of unmet expectations, where you think that a simple explanation should be all that is necessary to make your position clear and understood, but that isn't what happens. And where you believe that others should be able to describe their positions equally clearly, and this also doesn't happen.In other words, doesn't it all really boil down to this being harder and more intricate than you thought?--Percy

I wasn't referring to the inherent difficulty of the subject material, which I realize some have concluded you're having trouble with, but to the difficulty of clear communication on complex topics. You believe you're capable of understanding, someone else believes they're capable of explaining clearly, yet it isn't happening. That's because discussion boards are a far from ideal venue for accomplishing this. Even tiny baby steps of comprehension deserve plaudits.--Percy

I guess I can't really tell where you want to take this topic. If "the problem with EvC" is something inherent in human nature, that's one thing. If EvC itself is in some way contributing to the problem, that's another, but I sense that's not where you're coming from.I don't blame you for not being happy with the tone sometimes exhibited, but there should be some self-examination about whether you're an innocent victim or the culprit. I honestly don't know the answer, I haven't read enough of your threads, but not all questions deserve polite answers, though everyone at EvC is encouraged to exhibit decorum. But some people ask good questions, some don't. Some ask questions to learn, some just to challenge the answers. Some are thinking about the answers, and some are just asking "why" no matter what the answer.--Percy