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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
In the past 23 years alone, 4 million or more Christians and other non-Muslims in the Sudan have been subjected to a campaign of forced Islamicization with the worst atrocities known to man often committed, such as young girls as young as 9 gang-raped after their parents are killed and sold into slavery. Boys sold into slavery or sometimes chained up in a Madrassas forced to memorize the Koran; men literally crucified, villages burned and sprayed with chemical weapons, women gang-raped and murdered, or sometimes a very pregnant or nursing woman has her breasts cut off so if she has the baby, it will die not being able to nurse. Sometimes, her baby will be cut out of her while she is still alive so she can see it die.
The motive in this war is the government's policy of forced Islamicization via genocide and forced conversion.
The NIF regime declared a jihad (holy war) against the religious and ethnic minorities that resist forced Islamization. It is estimated that 2 million people have died in the conflict and five million out of the eight million people that live in the South have been displaced since the fighting began in 1983. The strategy used by the NIF and its accomplices can be considered a scorched earth policy. Areas are sealed off by road and air and government forces move in. Units are often sent into areas and told to "depopulate" the area. Mines are often sown on important roads and paths. All the people and livestock are taken or killed and all structures are destroyed. People are forcibly relocated to "peace camps." In these camps, the young are taken away from their parents and sent to other camps for indoctrination by Islamic fundamentalists. There are numerous reports that the young men taken away are trained as soldiers and sent to fight in the South. These soldiers, along with many northern conscripts, are referred to as suicide soldiers, as their use in battle is less than efficient. They are given a key to wear around their necks and told that it is the key to heaven an that should they die, they will instantly go there. Also in these camps, young women and girls have been forced to do manual labor on farms and are sexually abused by their captors. When food is scarce in the camps, only those who have converted to Islam are given enough to eat. Page not found | Persecution CIA Factbook....
Military regimes favoring Islamic-oriented governments have dominated national politics since independence from the UK in 1956. Sudan was embroiled in two prolonged civil wars during most of the remainder of the 20th century. These conflicts were rooted in northern economic, political, and social domination of largely non-Muslim, non-Arab southern Sudanese. The first civil war ended in 1972, but broke out again in 1983. The second war and famine-related effects resulted in more than 4 million people displaced and, according to rebel estimates, more than 2 million deaths over a period of two decades.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/su.html
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
but the sacred texts have remained relatively unchanged during this time, I'd imagine The difference is the sacred texts of the gospels demand religious liberty whereas the opposite is true for Islam and the Koran (and Sharia). That may make reform of Islam a somewhat daunting task. Mohammed was a conquering general. Jesus eschewed forced conversion and use of physical violence as a means to promote his teachings. Big difference. One of the implications may be that in places like the Sudan, Islam or radical Islam may need to be defeated on the field of battle in order to contain the spread of violent forms of Islam.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
You ever hear of how there is a division between the OLD Testament and New Testament?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I won't do as jar and insist the topic is just the Sudanese war, etc,....It's OK to consider the larger topic of Islam as far as I am concerned.
The fact of the matter is Wahhabism might as well be the Islamic jihad or Hamas for all practical purposes. We aren't dealing with the fringe but the mainstream. Now, is there a mainstream wing not committed to jihad at present, sure, but there is a mainstream wing committed to imposing Sharia, committed to using the State to force Islam in the world, and as such are committed to jihad. Denying it is useless. We aren't talking of some fringe groups like the Jim Jones cults. This would be as if he Baptists, Episcopalians, Pentecostals and Methodists all went on the war path....it's a large group within Islam, and they control vast areas such as Saudi Arabia (Wahabbism), most of Pakistan, the government of the Sudan, etc, etc,.....Heck the mullahs in Iran are moderate compared to the Wahhabis.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Yea, but it's a different dispensation.
Bottom line Jesus is not of the same spirit as Mohammed and his militarism. Say what you want, but that's a fact. The roots are different.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Nor did the vast majority of Christians rise up to stop the Inquisition. Bull crap. Just who do you think the Inquisition was primarily against. It was against Christians that the Pope called "heretical" and Jews as well.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
jazzns, you like to hurl slurs, but the reason for posting about genocide here was to correct some past statements by others that claimed persecution of Christians was somehow not as severe as it is. The fact that Muslims are the persecutors is a secondary matter to some degree. I would post the same thing if it were communists or Roman Catholics doing this. I just don't like the hate, often found among liberals and from my perspective, evos, towards Christians and Christianity.
But on point of order, this is a huge part of Islam. Pretending this a minor issue within Islam is somewhat absurd. The Hadith even in the most tolerant of Islam constitute second class citizens, as often do women. There's a problem there bud. Quit whitewashing it.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Whitewashing the genocide perpetuated by jihadis, and the crimes of radical Islam all over the Muslim world towards non-Muslims by attacking Christianity is kind of stupid.
No one here has addressed the fundamental difference between Jesus and His teachings, which were physically non-violent and men such as Ghandi and MLK have at times learned from and applied the "love your enemy" approach, with Mohammed who was a conquering general.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Jazzns, why don't you tell me what the jihadis claim to justify these acts?
You are asserting you have an understanding of Islam. What are these Muslims claiming>?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
All I saw were appeals to Old Testament scripture when Jesus clearly taught a new dispensation..."the law and the prophets were until John" and "from now on, the gospel of the kingdom is preached."
Mohammed was a conquering general. Jesus eschewed the use of forced conversion and physical violence. Big difference and not answered yet, imo.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
You never heard of the Waldensians, the Albingensians, the Donatists long before them, or the cathari?
Backlash? Heck, millions of Christians stood up to the Pope and died for it. You need to get your head screwed on straight if you are acting like the Christian community simply went along with the Pope and his radical policies.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The question with Islam centres around only one thing, the Qu'ran - the written Word of God according to Muslims. That's not really true. Sharia is considered holy and so it's not just the Koran but the traditions within Sharia.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
well, most Muslims don't agree with your view of their religion. Sharia includes religious traditions.
Moreover, the Koran is still not a document favoring non-violence and freedom of religion for everyone. The non-Muslim is a 2nd class citizen.
Muhammed was not special and was just a man Actually, Mohammed is considered their chief prophet.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
yea jar, this relates to the Islamic jihad in the Sudan, how?
...but while we are talking, can this be blamed on the West as well? Edited by randman, : No reason given.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Islamic expansion and domination is the most plausible explanation as that is indeed the stated policy of the jihad. Convert to Islam or face extermination.
Now, it is true there are complicating factors such as the discovery of oil during the conflict that played a role in the international community ignoring the conflict (some financial interests including China) didn't want to upset Khartoum. I think the war on terror has played a part in recent years as well. But the war is essentially about Islamic domination, plain and simple.
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