What makes a terrorist a terrorist?

Of course. Terrorists have used them as hiding places for their operations against Israel. Israel would have no motive to take out the groves otherwise. By living in tribal groups and having a tribal identity. When Mark Twain visited Palestine in the late 19th century he described no tribal groups, just families, residences, farms, scattered across what was desolate wilderness. Could be, Jazz. But most of those NOW called Palestinians aren't. They are a variety of Arabs from all over the Middle East.

this is in reply to a number of Faith's post , rather that doing multi replies.. before the state of modern israel was decleared by the the "so called jewish terrorist"groups the region know as palastine was a british protectorate .. this came about at the end of WW1 after british AND arab tribes defeated the turkish army .. infact the arabs where offical allies of the bristish with full diplomatic stautus... typically after the war britain hung on to the area , for hmm reasons (yes british imperial type reasons)between the wars and during ww2 and after the british garrisoned palastine ...
during this time the number of jews in the area in creased due to the situation in europe and the nazis holocasust ...post war the bristish tried and failed to keep jews from entering the region as they belive it would lead to conflict with the local;s ie the arabs ... how the dispalcement of the jewish peoples by the war lead to a flood of people into palastine ..... mostly educated europeans .. with conections to pro jewish state groups across the world .. . then followed a peroid of terrorist warfare .. re king david hotel ... the british gave up and left the jewish faction was locally stronger and took control ..... war follows , irronocally the first foe the israelies fight is the arab legion a army set up by the british to "protect palastine" from its arab neigbours .so israel copmes about due to a incoming group of people held together by the "ideologically driven" dream of a nation of there own ... at the expecnce of others ... why do you thing the jews picked palastine ??? there was a much greater jewish population in the USA why not go there ..??
Post ww2 after the horrors that befell the jewish peoples of europe , they made a choice to "rebuild" the israel of the bible as a jewish homeland ... but it was at the expence of the then resident population , who where not asked , who frought against it and who lost ...the incoming jewish peoples took mover the land and set up a goverment based on their views and tradistions .. not the locals , the jewish people did nopt seek to live along side the locals they sort and by means of armed conflict took control .now is that fair ?? would you allow a large group of ex russian communists to move into ,say, Idaho and take over the land , declear a independant nation of the Russian soviet people .. claiming that as they lack a home land they can take soime one elses , and any way there is no real Idahoians , 5they are just a collection of small tribes from across europe ??1.so if no palastinian people who where the britsih ruling for 30 odd years ...?2.by what from of legitimatcy is the land israels ?3. in fact the israelies have created the "palastine people " as a single whole group by uniting them in comman situation , of being dispalced and having to live under the rule of a invader .4. as to israel buying palastine land hmm like manhattern was brought from the native american tribes ? 1. not really true .. no one can move into palastine , its not here its called israel , the rest is the refugeee camps2.and how does that make the have no rights ?? what are the birth lands of most of the israelies born from say 1920 onwards ??3.would you also apply the same reasoning to the USA as most of its population are " a variety of germanic / gallic / celtic / anglosaxon / italic / slavic tribes peoples from all over the europe " see example aboveNow to make one thing very clear .. all peoples , in all lands have a right to exsist ...what we are talking about here is a situation where groups are in conflict over living on the same bit of land .. we have the great luxury of debating this with out bombs falling on our heads ...we caqn get up from this debate and walk the street of our home town with out risk of shells killing us ...do we not have a responcability to look at the conflict with open eyes , and see the reasons , both historic and current , and to condem the action of ALL who bring death and destruction , and not to allow one side the "right to defencive responce" that is clearly going to kill inoccents , that is destroying the ability of a civilisan population to find food water and medical services .even when "laser guided" a 500kg bomb is not a pin ponit weapon when you are trying to kill one man in a apparment block

ROFL! I can PROMISE there was no terrorists hiding in our family groves. What are you going to come up with next? Were the groves themselves terrorists? Were the trees armed? Maybe it was because potential terrorists could possibly someday get nutrition from the olives of those trees.You should visit some of the intact groves in that region. Not only are they beautiful but you can see for yourself how useful they are for hiding gunmen. What a preposterous claim! Really nothing Israel could ever do would EVER elicit a condemnation from you.{ABE: I forgot to mention. You ad-hoc explanation does not cover why they would also destroy a sapling grove. Were terrorists hiding behind saplings? Ever seen a looney-toons cartoon where one of the characters hides behind a twig? Really you are an expert at the ad-hoc and I actually did laugh out loud. } Which is different from the tribal entities that existed there how? You didn't describe any differences. The entities that existed there lived in tribal groups and had tribal identities. How then were they not tribal entities? You are just outright guessing and it shows. Well, Mark Twain was wrong. The town I am from consists of hundreds of people grouped into 3 main clans. All native. Next I suppose you are going to say it is not a "tribal" entity because I called it a "clan". I am not talking about the people who are NOW called palestinians. I am talking about the people who have ALWAYS been called palestinians, their culture, and their tribal/clan identities.Just because we didn't live in long houses or hunt for buffalo does not mean that there were no tribal entities. Really what you are doing is pull at any straw you can to try to ignore the fact that you criteria for the existance of a tribal identity was bogus. And the more you defend it rather that simply go back to say that you were wrong the more wrong you are making yourself out to be.Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

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Would you consider writing something, probably three or four pages long, that would describe the village, the society, the homes, the groves. I bet AdminAsgara would love such a piece for Columnists Corner and we would all like a glimpse at a lifestyle most of us have never experienced. If you have any pics, I can help if needed in getting them in a form so they could be included.Thanks.

Sure! I am about to go on vacation. I'll look into it when I get back.

Except for the actions of the likes of Irgun and Lehi, revisionist zionist groups that committed acts of terror in palestine. After the creation of Israel, these groups became part of the IDF and even the Likud party.Jabotinsky (a revisionist zionist) knew that the palestinians would not allow the construction of a Zionist state in palestine and therefore accepted the need for the submission of the arabs by force of arms (the iron wall). This was in 1923.The creation of Israel is one time that two wrongs made a right (to some).Edited by melatonin, : No reason given.

That wasn't ad hoc. It's been a long time since you posted that same complaint and at that time I tracked down this explanation somewhere, so I didn't make it up. Only I don't still have the link. It's not behind a twig, it's a whole grove that shields whatever is back of it from view."Saplings?" I thought you said the grove was "ancient."What is YOUR explanation? What reason could they possibly have if it's not being used for terrorists?{EDIT: OK, found some information. Had to wade through a ton of Leftist pro-Palestinian propaganda on Google to find anything that seems factual. The reason for razing the olive groves has been to create a security zone for the protection of settlers. Does imply that they can be used as a shield for terrorism, but at least that they impede a clear view in case of terrorist activity. Palestinian Olive harvest disruptedEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm sure Israel has been in the wrong many times, Jazz, only I also know about the strategies and propaganda that create wrong where there is none, which nobody on your side of this seems capable of imagining.OK I'll give you that there were some tribal groups there that now call themselves Palestinians because their roots go back a ways, some towns etc. What exactly does that add to the claim that there was an entity called Palestine?Why don't YOU admit that the "Palestinian refugees" are mostly not Palestinians? Why is it that you seem to be determined to defend the terrorists? Why is it that you deny the Islamic jihad and the aggression of the Arab states against Israel?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm sure Israel has committed some wrongs, and I don't know enough about that period of their history. But what I do know is how they are being set up now to look like they are in the wrong when they are not, and the world, especially the Left, eats it up.

Well I do suggest you do some reading, even in the late 19th century, Jews in Palestine knew that Zionism would cause conflict with the indigenous people.It's not to do with left and right, more to do with right and wrong. Israel is state that was immoral and unethical in its inception.

The "Jews in Palestine" were the "indigenous people" as well, wouldn't you say?And again, MOST of the supposed "Palestinians" that are there NOW are Arabs from all over the Middle East, very few of them actually indigenous to Palestine.In any case, how does that answer the fact that it's terrorist manipulations to make Israel appear in the wrong going on now?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

there were Jews in palestine, however, the zionist project was to ensure a majority Jewish population for Israel. This was through immigration from external Jews and, when the time came, expulsion of the arabs by terror tactics (i.e. ethnic cleansing). Approx 750,000 of the indigenous arabs became refugess.Yeah, we are totally off-topic, but your original statement that Israel was not associated with terrorism and ideological support of terrorism was clearly wrong. As the newsletter of the Lehi terrorists stated in 1943..."Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can negate the use of terror as a means of battle."And to answer the manipulation issue, Israel/IDF needs no help to show its unethical conduct.

Yes, I was wrong about the origin and some of the definition of terrorism, but not about what is going on over there now.However, it's interesting that Israeli terrorism targeted a big bad global empire and not the Palestinians. Shouldn't all you pro-Palestinians be in sympathy with that? Isn't that why you sympathize with the Palestinians, your idea that they are the underdog against a big power? Even to the point that you can't see their underhanded tactics.In any case, what is going on now is Palestinian duplicity as usual, and world leftist agitation to make Israel LOOK wrong when it is in fact bending over backwards to be careful and fair and has been for decades now.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well, Irgun and Lehi did target the indigenous arabs. Deir Yassin, a war crime (slaughter of around 100 women, elderly, and children), being the best known example. Did you know that Menachem Begin was a leader of Irgun and later became the first Likud prime minister of Israel?Hezbollah and other middle-east terrorist groups should not be supported or their actions condoned, however, an effort to understand the underlying issues does help. The Zionists went from the victims of ethnic cleansing to perpertrators within a few years with palestinians the suffering and dispossessedIsrael are not very careful or fair at all. In fact, the state of Israel is racist to its core (Zionism).Edited by melatonin, : punctuationEdited by melatonin, : spelling

You're just passing on typical anti-Israel propaganda.Here's a report that has the ring of truth to my ears: Jewish Virtual Library on Deir YassinEdited by Faith, : No reason given.