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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: I don't care about the benefits, you can have mine.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Once you realize that a God must exist, you can only ask why he would create us. If you don't believe in God, you still want to know why we are in this abyss. To me God is. That was the easiest question, but it was very important at one point in my life I guess.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Nietzsche was disgraced at the way humans have slipped into mediocrity, this thread makes it very apparent. And it's so sad. It's depressing. Many of you can't even turn back. And some don't want to........................................................................................................................
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
It's not condescending it's genuine concern.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
I guess you got me there. How come noone else thought of that lol.
I might have to think about all of this some more, that's some point.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Fact is, I am in a similar system, which disgusts me, called college. I want to take my guitar, and go to California, but I would probably have a very hard time thriving. I can teach my teachers, my one philosophy class feels like sunday school, and I actually have to take my time and do homework for these people. Not only that, it's not what I want to be doing. I want to learn from the philosophers themselves, instead of having some muddled down version from a depressing individual who sees the world as capitalism. I'm going to read their works, that's all I really need.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: My philosophy teacher made a list of philosophical questions on the board. These "life" questions included who to vote for in an election, and which products to buy. They weren't about anything important. Although my post may have seemed egotistical, I was trying really to show everyone that I see similar situations arising in my own life, and that I understand what I see in them.
quote: Well, I didn't need someone to point out for me how my existance has been without true purpose, and I would never deny it or ignore it, if it was pointed out. And I am "learning". An environment where ideas are discussed. I haven't been brought into meaningless work, and jobs designed for profit. I don't understand how you're "cushy existance" within the system has never frustrated you.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: You helped someone heroically. You gave purpose to this absurdity. You did what Jesus would have done. And in an environment of mediocrity, where the taken-advantage of, the satisfied, the vast majority, the decieved, the lied to, the slaves to the system reside. I wanted to tell you all to leave that place, but it is safe, and simple.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Let your garden grow.
It's hard for someone who has been desensitized by the system to think outside of it, I am in an ideal position it seems to present my ideas, to all of whom have entered it already. Although I am sure that I could design a well developed society without the horrible elements that exist within modern society, that was not at all the point of my first post. Rousseau. It sounds like someone has you tied down, and throughout the years he has convinced you that it is the best that way, you seem to love it in fact. Sorry for the short reply but I felt that most of it was already addressed, and what you were saying was inside the box, physical world, bullshit.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
I was showing my dad, and my dad's girlfriend some videos on youtube. Videos of music, I showed them "Soul to Squeeze", by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, then I showed them elvis, which they loved too. Then a song on iTunes that a friend of mine covered in the studio, she has the most awesome singing voice, my dad really loves the song she did. On iTunes, it keeps playing songs, and the next song in line was a song that I had never listened to before. My sister really likes "Cat Power", they seem pretty good. The song was called "The Greatest". So on the front it read something like "The Greatest" and Cat Power underneath it.
As I stepped back and listened with them, I watched them look at the screen in amazement, they tried to read the screen. My dad had his huge glasses on, and they were just totally into the names and the list, trying to comprehend what was going on. They were really happy, and eager, curious, like little kids. Just to be there and listening and figuring out this wierd new technology. It was at that moment that my dad said "The greatest cat power", all lumped together, he probably didn't know that it was seperate, a band name and a title name. He probably didn't care, and at that moment the two (in-their-late-40s) started laughing like little kids. They looked like children there. I saw them both like little kids, they were so great, it really hit me when that happened. It moved me, it made me weep. And then all of a sudden I realized that they have both been inside the system with full acknowledgement of it's meaninglessness, of it's focus on money, of it's tyranny, and the way it has been accepted as a necessary thing. They knew all of what I knew. Especially my dad. But they stayed. They did it. They went through it all, all for one reason. My dad knew it all man, but he stuck with it. He threw everything away, all of his dreams. Greatest man who ever lived. For me. For my brother. For his parents, my grandparents. He loved all of us too much. He had to do it. He did it for my mom. He did it for my brother, and my sister. He did it for everyone. And it's so damn sad. Edited by prophex, : No reason given.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: In response, an essay I wrote this year in a French language/history/philosophy class at my high school on existentialism, and a very famous existentialist book "The Little Prince", this post is probably hit or miss. What Gives Value and Meaning to Things? **** We are born into a world that we know nothing about, that is a mystery to us. We know only from what others have told us. We have no known purpose, and our lives fulfill no known meaning. We are, and that is all. We can think and understand and communicate, we can fulfill roles within society, we have free will, and we can do whatever a human being can do. But what gives value and meaning to what we decide to do is through every choice that we make. We decide what our purpose is. We make our destiny, we determine our fate. We give our lives purpose. As we are in what Albert Camus said this "absurd abyss of existence". The characters in the Petite Prince represented all of the men on Earth. Some become businessmen, and spend their lives gaining wealth. This gives them purpose, but only in a superficial way, it is ultimately a meaningless existence because what one can gain in material wealth is gone when we die. Some give their lives meaning by studying the planet, the geographer, but is again meaningless because of the lack of anything important in the numbers and measurements of the Earth, that too is only temporary. Because when we die nothing will remain besides our spirit and God. The man who studies mathematics is similarly leading a life without true purpose. Because the laws of the Earth, and measuring tools and numbers devised will not be important at death. This is a purpose of sophistication, and genius, but no genius would spend time discussing mathematical values, true genius' have discovered why we are here, and how we got here, the meaning of life. Those who seek truth, seek answers to questions that of which the scientists and mathematicians can only give up and reply that they are dealing with matters of consequence. Most humans deal with matters of consequence, most humans do not give thought to what is really important or true, most "go with the flow", and live lives simply to live, and become a part of a system that they blindly accept called society, and take jobs to be accepted, and make money to be "happy", but happiness has nothing to do with money, happiness is when the Buddha smiled into the river, and transcended what was real. That is true happiness, but most humans/adults may laugh at truth, and they may simply walk away thinking about tomorrow, or their job. The Tippler is a strange character who is harder to see within daily life. He drinks to forget that he is ashamed of drinking. It is a sad state, and I do not know many tipplers. But I think that the point Exuperie was trying to make was that people are so saddened by this world and lacking a definable purpose, and being born into something they know nothing about, that they try to forget it, and they spend their lives living as the tippler. Almost denying purpose, and denying life because it saddens them. This is the person that I think the tippler represents. One who tragically tries to forget that he is alive. This is not a viable purpose, because one cannot live as a tippler and have purpose, or do anything good for anyone. The lamplighter was a landmark character, because the lamplighter was the first person that fulfilled a purpose that pleased the Prince, and was not selfish, was not meaningless. Because it served a righteous cause. He lived for others, and he lived to serve. The Prince called it "beautiful". But believing in something, and giving a purpose to one's life through actions and choices is not the only way one can give life meaning. As in the story, the fox meeting the Prince shows another correlation to the question. That our relationships as humans are vastly important, and that these instances that go beyond everyday interaction, to heartfelt love for one another, true friendship, gives meaning and fulfillment in life. As the fox was tamed we are tamed by everyone who has ever become a friend to you. The Prince took the time to care for the flower and although there are millions of flowers that were identical, she is important and unique and special to him because she is one in all the world that loved him, and who he loved. Just as the rose is a million times the same, so are we, we are 1 in 6 billion, the only way to be truly special is to be tamed. And that is so amazing. So the question is why would God create us if we are seemingly in an absurd abyss, and we don't know why, I have a feeling that is has a lot to do with the relationships that we have, and the purpose and value that we as individuals can give to our lives. Life is not without meaning, and every single one of us determines that. ***** And for the guitar part. I want to be like Hendrix or Frusciante, that sums it up. California would be the place to go from what I've read. Edited by AdminAsgara, : edited name out at owner's request
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Thanks, and it's really cool that you thought about the topic on your trip.
I agree with the concept of the canoe, everything affecting the course of life, right? Yeah, those are the buddhist teachings, also Christian, and many other religions most likely for obvious reasons.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
What does MOO mean?!?!?!? Saw it twice now.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Why? Read up friend.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
oic
thanks
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