The first 3 chapters of Genesis

Yes, of course. And there used be no thorns and thistles and now there are. It used be easy, but now it is hard. That's the obvious meaning here.

This is about the facts of the story. That's all it's about. The interpretations of the facts of the story by Jar and others are false. They are political in nature. This will not do.

What a bunch of garbage this is. It's about man disobeying God and God punishing him for it. How more obvious can it get?

What in the hell are you talking about?

Yeah, we have all this bullshit, but, Jar, why were they punished? You said you did not say they were not punished. Assuming you are not a sophist, that means they were punished. Why?

Look at this nonsense. We are trying to come up with the facts of the literature, and we get this. We are trying to find out what happened in the story, but apparently this is troublesome. But it's obvious that Adam and Eve disobeyed God and were therefore punished.Stop this sophistry. I know it does not fit with modern ideas, but that's not the point of this thread.

That's not the point. The point is that Adam and Eve disobeyed and were punished. Jar says this is non-sensical since A & E did not know right from wrong. But we are not talking about whether it is sensible or not, but only what the story relates.And that is what the story relates.Jar and others are trying to inject into the story what is not there---as they do with the New Testament. I can't think why. The only idea I have is that they want to hold on to the name of "Christian."Is that it, Jar?

Pleasure, pleasure--why does one do anything?

How am I silly? Do you do nothing for pleasure?

No, you are applying realism.It's like saying there is no such thing as ghosts in regard to Hamlet.But we are inquiring about the facts of the story.Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

You must be the biggest damned fool I ever met in my life. So God said, everything is like it was before? No changes?

Christianity makes no sense without the concept of the Fall and the Passion. That's why New Age Christianity is ridiculous.Jar's religion is a joke. I'm trying to help him out by pointing that out. Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning

Real religion is no joke. it's a very serious matter. Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning

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"Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law

I said real religion. Jar's religion is not real. Edited by AdminPD, : OFf Topic Warning

The question was, why were Adam and EVe punished? Jar denied in another thread that they were punished due to the fact that they ate from the tree of KGE. I asked him why they were punished, and I get this: This is the sophistry I'm trying to expose. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.