egotheistic pantheism revealed...

Rob Scottness stated of his position: 'Truthful' is an interesting word to choose. It's not really the same as saying the proposition is true, is it?I once encountered a mental patient who avoided going to the bathroom because a purple rhinoceras living in the toilet might resent the intrusion.Perhaps I should mention that he was the only person who could see this purple rhinoceras.His belief was honest. The care he took not to offend the rhinoceras was exercised at great inconvenience to himself. The exasperation he showed when others failed to discern the rhinoceras was genuine.And the patient was very, very consistent. Everyone who encountered him learned about the purple rhinoceras. Every conversation in which he took part turned, sooner more often than later, to the subject of the purple rhinoceras. And the details were remarkably the same, day after day.His proposition that a purple rhinoceras lived in his toilet was honestly and consistently stated. By Rob's criteria the idea is 'plainly truthful.'But what does that mean? About the patient. About the rhinoceras.___Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair.Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Slow down there speed-o brain! Yes I think you're right, except for the part I edited out. But you said it very irresponsibly. The Bible itself makes no false claim. And it's embodiment which 'is Christ', made no false claims. And He claimed exclusivity in black and white terms that cannot be refuted or misconstrued by any honest investigator.But we, as fallible men and women of any faith make false claims, though not always intentionally. But the impact is real, regardless of our intentions. The consequences are real and deadly.So, Anastasia, Christianity does not make false claims, but Christians often do. There is a difference.Algebra is not false, because the new proffesor is a dolt. And as sinners, as Christians, we know what we are.As imperfect (wretched really) creatures, we are perfected by Jesus perfection. By placing our faith in Him instead of ourselves. He is the true leader to the promised land.As for being perfected, I defer to Lewis who said, '...and death is part of the process.'Just as the seed falls and hence bears more, so we must sow our flesh, to be raised to glory.

Now we are on to something. Is the Boss God forgiving, understanding, and unlikely to terminate a good employee because this employee made a mistake?

You may want to read my edit to that post.Or I can just tell you.Christianity is inclusive.A certain sect will not be.One sect could be right, although I am sure you disagree.Or you could have a panthentheistic view of christianity where the sum of all the sects = reality...or is included in a greater reality.In fact I am sure you are panentheistic christian. Tell Archer.I am exclusive, in that I believe my version is already reality.

Unless they are God (which many of them believe) they do not get to judge where my final resting place will be.I appriciate their willingness to believe in my usefulness to a perfect and sinless divine reality, but they frighteningly underestimate what such a reality would look like, and what I would look like relative to it.I have already come to the place where I can look at myself honestly and not pretend to be well adjusted, other than to this evil world perhaps.I know I have need of a savior. I will look to God for justice, judgement, and mercy, because he actully proved to me that he can handle it. The devil would be... wouldn't he... clever bastard anyway.

I think He is, as long as we don't blow off work and take a cruise through the red light district.

Have you been drinking?Isn't it like 1:00 AM there?Go to bed...Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

The patient is so afraid of the rhinoceras he won't even go close enough to the toilet to see that it isn't there?

I think that is a little inappropriate...oh look I can still spell! But Rob, this is not chat, and that is not a debate, not a defense. I have good reason to be up late, but no reason to be investigated.

Yes. And pay the fine too. But will the employee ask for genuine forgiveness which means to give up the mistakes in question? Or does the employee intend to continue making mistakes because it is fun?I think a genuine conversion, is when a person realizes that they are trapped. That they need the power of God to help them learn to be other than they are now. And the power to even want to be different. Rather than just accepting who they are and expecting God to forgive them unconditionally.It is very conditional. Jesus asked, 'What would a man give in exchange for his soul?'Your whole life commited to Him in exchange for forgiveness and meeting the Holy Spirit in person?You've been bought for a price. A heavy and bloody price. Because your sin has worked it's way into reality, and spreads like a disease. The consequences are very real. If you want to see the reality of evil, then look at the cross. It is both the most loving thing in all history, and the most evil thing in history.You only have to accept the invitation on His exclusive terms. Give up your self, or keep it forever. A terrifying and wonderful proposition.Salvation is not automatic. You get a choice...I don't know about you, but when I realized that, I had to sit down.

Not only is pantheism not monolithic - but you aren't talking about any form of pantheism at all. At no point during your discussions does the concept that 'the entirety of existence is divinity itself' or 'the cosmos is God itself' come into it. It is just going to confuse the matter if you are going to use different definitions of words.

No, Rob, we all "perceive the point." A non-exclusive religion such as Pantheism says that even though you as a Christian believe that the only path to God is through salvation from Jesus that that is a path to God. Your own exclusivity in your own beliefs does not mean that there are not other paths to God. It does not mean that your exclusive path is indeed the only true path.I guess you are seeing exclusivity on the pantheists' part in that they do not believe that your path is the only path even though you do. They are not excluding your path at all, though. Yes, the paths to God lead to God. That is not to say that any of the paths is the exclusive truth, just that the path itself leads to truth. The path is not the truth, the destination is (kinda like Jar's Maps and Territories bit). See Matthew 25:31-46 Possibly, but they are not excluding your belief that it is true. For them the destination (finding God/the truth) is what is important.

I guess that all depends on who you believe is telling the truth no doesn't it?

That is the whole point right there Mod...If the whole of existence is divinity itself, then since I exist, I am one with the divine.That is logic isn't it? If this, then that? Either this, or that?That was the foundation of my point. How can you say that I did not mention it at any point?From the fourth sntance in post #1:Does the difference in wording make a real difference?

When? Right at this moment? Or are you talking at a later date, say (x) hours after being hit by a bus. Until the mistakes become clearly laid out, by the boss Himself - the best one can do is make the attempt. What does fun have to do with anything? Keep up with the story, all we are talking about is getting to work without knowing how.I just had to quotemine this one, regardless of what you meant by it And this is Pantheism revealed...