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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I don't think there's an indictment from the latest news: quote:
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
i don't think he's a huckster -- he doesn't push the SALE as much as some folks He might not push it as much but pushing the sale whilst under indictment for fraud is damned impressive:
The sale quote:
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
If this is where Hovind is comming from he is scarier than I gave him credit for. Sorry....
quote: From Criminal Tax Manual 40.00 -- ILLEGAL TAX PROTESTERS. And yes, its the same Hovind.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Pensacola news reports (my bold to highlight unusual phrase):
U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers denied this week, the request to lift travel restrictions for Pensacola creationist Kent Hovind. Hovind, who calls himself “Dr. Dino” and operates Dinosaur Adventure Land, at 5800 N. Palafox St., was scheduled to travel to five South African cities between Aug. 12 and Aug. 21 to debate scientists who refute his belief that man did not evolve from dinosaurs but, rather, lived alongside them. After prosecutors argued earlier this month that Hovind posed a flight risk if allowed to leave the country, U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis ordered Hovind to surrender his passport. Hovind said the travel restrictions violates his constitutional right to freedom religion and is contrary to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Rodgers disagreed, pointing to Supreme Court decisions that neutral restrictions with general applications that incidentally burden religious practices do not violate the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. Hovind doesn't seem to be getting things his way. I guess judges are used to oratory and are simply ignoring it in favour of what the law actually says.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I saw that, the first sentence made me laugh
Defense attorneys said it's a case of a Pensacola couple's ignorance of the law and their religious beliefs. Yep, even their defense attorneys are saying that Hovind and his wife are ignorant of their own religious beliefs Anyway, more news.
Two people who worked for a Pensacola evangelist testified Wednesday in federal court that they didn't consider where they worked to be a church.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Every day more amusement comes from the case.
Hovind isn't a whoever, he isn't a person, but he is like the pope.
"He tried to stress to me that he was like the pope and this was like the Vatican," Seminole attorney David Charles Gibbs testified at Hovind's trial before U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers.
The prosecution hopes to rest its case Tuesday. The defense is expected to take at a week or more to make its case. Here's to many more days of amusement. I can't wait to hear the defense. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
you think you're apprised enough on tax law to do what Hovind's been doing for decades and remain free doing it as long as he has? I can't answer for Subbie, but Hovind doesn't need to know jack about tax law when he afford to pay someone to think for him. As you can see - Hovind's basic defence has been tried recently...by the man that has represented him.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Al Capone was sentenced to 11 years.
Ronnie Biggs was sentenced for 30 Surinder Singh Panshi got 16 years, and he plead guilty. If the amount stolen is in the tens of millions then 20+ year sentences have been handed out. Hovind isn't anywhere near this level so he's unlikely to spend a lot of time in jail. A more applicable case was Rev. Henry Lyons who was sentenced for 5 and a half years, though he had more than tax evasion under his belt - racketeering was included in that. Another comparable case looks to be this one where the tax cheat was forced to pay his taxes, a $30,000 fine and do 800 hours of community service. I suspect Hovind will get more than that though. The closest thing I can find is Minesh Krishnadas Mehta:
quote: Since Hovind is charged for a similar amount, but with plenty of other indictments to his name as well, I suspect that two years at a minimum and I'd reckon that 3-5 wouldn't be out of the question as a minimum. Of course, IANAL so I could be atrociously wrong with my estimates.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Sweet isn't it?
I personally find using google news is easier than going to PensacolaNewsJournal. Edited by Modulous, : shortening url
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Heads up folks, first thing this morning, the sentencing happens.
Final bets please...
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
So in a very real sense the income tax isn't legal, as many have proclaimed, but try not paying it and see how far you get before the Feds come after you and confiscate everything you own. It is the courts that get to decide if income tax is legal or not based on these kinds of objections. Guess what they decided?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
They decided not to question the Feds its not healthy if you care to remain among the living. Courts make rulings, is there something in your constitution where they are required to 'question the Feds'? When presented with the evidence they decide facts. They have been presented with the evidence that the 16th ammendment was not legally ratified and they have decided that this is not the case - the 16th ammendment stands as a legally ratified document as per the body that the constitution has apppointed to decide if an ammendment was legally ratified. I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, there is any question over the legality over the ammendment.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Your changing the subject would normally be indicative of a concession of the original point. Does it stand that you have changed your argument from a legal point of view (conceding that income tax cannot be legally disputed) towards a moral point of view (income tax is a legal scam)?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
If the FED's ability to craft money out of nothing and collect interest has not been ratified by the states then Hovind was unjustly judged. Good point. If only the constitution had created some body that could decide whether or not an ammendment was legally ratified! If only the writers of that document had half a brain between them.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
An appeal by Pensacola creationist Kent Hovind and his wife, Jo Hovind, seeking acquittal on tax-fraud charges was denied. From here Jo Hovind was convicted of 44 counts of evading bank-reporting requirements. Her sentencing was delayed pending the appeal and should soon be set. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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