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There you Go,YECs...biblical "evidence" of "flat earth beliefs"

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Message 197 of 243 (391248)
03-24-2007 2:25 AM 		Reply to: Message 196 by Mikael Fivel
03-24-2007 2:00 AM

Mikael Fivel writes:
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you CAN measure the width of a sphere....
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I didn't say you can't measure it. I said we don't normally refer to a sphere by "width" - the word "width" usually signals that we are talking about a flat surface.
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Jesus spoke in parables to explain deeper meanings....
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As I said, any "deeper meanings" are irrelevant to the actual words and imagery used.
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you don't know, so really he COULD be standing up on a mountain and looking at three different kingdoms....
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But we do know - there were kingdoms in the Americas and in Asia that could never be seen from the same mountain, no matter how high. (Have you read the thread? I think all of this has been covered.)
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(which is plausible, given the faith of any evolutionist who would look at the big bang theory)
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What does that have to do with anything?
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point still stands, whether or not they reference a model of a flat earth or even IMPLY a flat earth, it's not relevant to what is being said as a whole.
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Point still stands, we're not talking about what is being said as a whole. We're only talking about the flat-earth issue.
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even if you came to the conclusion (which i don't doubt you have) that EVERYBODY BACK THEN knew that the earth was flat and believed it....
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Please read more carefully. I have already said that I am claiming nothing about what "everybody back then" knew or believed. I am saying that Daniel (and Matthew) evidently believed the earth was flat.
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... it has no affect on the overall premise of the bible or salvation as a whole, and therefore does not affect the validity of the book itself.
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I agree. Of course it doesn't. So, why are you so insistent that they "knew" something when there is no indication that they did?
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so this little *bash the bible piece by piece* thread doesn't actually mean anything....
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There is nothing in this thread about bashing the Bible. I'm saying that you should take the Bible for what it is, not try to twist it into what you wish it was. I'm saying "have some respect for the Bible."
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03-24-2007 3:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 198 by Mikael Fivel
03-24-2007 3:25 AM

Mikael Fivel writes:
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this whole thread "signals" that *haha* people were so dumb back then because they thought the earth was flat....
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No, it has nothing to do with anybody being "dumb". There's no shame in not knowing something. Even if some people back then did know that the earth is round, they didn't have the communication or eduacation systems to make the knowledge universal.
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It's just a matter of accepting what they probably did know and did not know from what they said. That's how you show respect for people, past or present - by accepting them as they are.
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i'm slightly frustrated that this forum "the Bible: Accuracy and Innerancy" seems more like "we'll try to create meaningless flaws out of nothing by destroying context and not even using the bible to argue it."
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You need to lose that attitude if you're going to survive around here. Everybody who disagrees with you is not necessarily the spawn of Satan.
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03-24-2007 4:05 AM 		Reply to: Message 200 by Mikael Fivel
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Mikael Fivel writes:
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when discussing biblical statements, it's more important to use the bible itself rather than petty "logic"....
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You can't use the Bible itself to test its accuracy.
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The Bible has to stand up to logic and to outside sources just like any other book. Once again, it's disrespectful to the Bible to set up special rules to protect it.
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Message 210 of 243 (391504)
03-25-2007 12:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 208 by Mikael Fivel
03-25-2007 12:28 PM

Re: then what is it?
Mikael Fivel writes:
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it really seems more like you're just poking fun at scripture really.
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Stop that right now. That attitude will get you nowhere.
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03-26-2007 6:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 234 by Mikael Fivel
03-26-2007 6:29 PM

Re: You are still missing the whole point of this thread.
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makes about as much sense as testing my pizza with logic.
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If you have a Health Department where you live, your pizza has been tested with logic. Everything that comes into contact with your pizza has been tested for microorganisms that you can't see, that the authors of the Bible didn't know about, but that logic says must exist.
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Logic is our only point of contact with the real world.
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