What you want to know about Christ.

gen, I would like to know if Jesus was genetically diploid or haploid. Since he was a real man in the flesh, and also the son of God, this raises a question about his genes, or more specifically about his his alleles. Jesus got one set of alleles (genes) from his mother, of course. But did he get a matching set from his father, which is usually the case, or did he not have a second set of alleles. If not, Jesus was haploid. But if Jesus was diploid then his second set of alleles would have had to come from God, his true father, according to the Bible. This would mean, then, that God has a genome.What would be terribly interesting to science would be to know what alleles God used to make Jesus. But maybe God made Jesus haploid, wherein the only source of his alleles was his mother. This, then, would create another problem: If Jesus was a real man then where did he get his Y chromosome? His mother could not give him one, since she had none to give. So, if he actually was haploid then he'd have to be a woman.Just curious: Are there any references in the Bible to Jesus's circumcision?”HM

Thank you, TC.So, he was indeed a real man. Very interesting! Because in that case he'd have to have a Y chromosome, which would mean that he would have to be genetically diploid. This also would mean that he would have had to carry God's alleles around in every one of his nucleated cells.TC, it would be vastly interesting to science and commerce to learn the exact genetic make up of God's alleles. If they could know that they could sell a trillion products for a bazillion dollars by installing God alleles into them. Who could top that? And I'm sure someone would want to patent God's alleles, of course, at least before the churches do.If Jesus had been circumcised in the flesh, as the Bible says, then wouldn't he have to necessarily carry God's genes and God's Y chromosome in his body? Or should my question more properly be laid to rest on the religious principle of miracles attributed to God? In other words, don't question it.If it's the latter, TC, I will disappointed.”HM

Well, in that case I have proven to you in Message 75 that Jesus could not have been the son of God. The daughter of God, maybe, because, then, a Y chromosome would not have been necessary. So I think you are left with the problem of explaining how Jesus got his penis. And it's not a small problem either if you insist that Jesus was a real man in flesh and blood.”HM

If he put his sample up for sale on eBay I wonder what he'd get for it. Should be worth a lot if he has good evidence of its source.”HM

Then this means Jesus had a penis. And if he had a penis he had to have a Y chromosome. Where did he get his Y chromosome? Not from Mary, that's for sure; she never had any. And not from God either, since He doesn't have any chromosomes (unless you have a Biblical citation on this).Maybe Jesus got his Y chromosome miraculous from the Satan, who has worked with God in the past to mess around with good people, like Job for instance. Or maybe Joseph got in a quick one just before God had His immaculate shot at Mary.Jesus would have been easier to explain if he had been born a girl.”HM

Well, this also explains how Jesus got his Roman nose. It was miracle that Joseph never had a clue.”HM

But OP said: So I was a askings a question about Jesus.BTW, Phat, if you insist that: Then why do Christians, especially Creationists, continuously attempt to validate their faiths and beliefs on their perceptions of scientific facts and principles? If Christianity is purely a matter of faith and belief then Christians don't need science to make it more so, do they?”HM

Phat, these criteria are extremely subjective. There are no objective measures of haughtiness, selflessness, humbleness, etc. What you are talking about here is reverence for your belief system. The only criterion that will work for you is one that supports your faith.So, OK, I'll give you your belief system. Will you do the same for me. If I tell you that I believe in myself supremely, would you act reverently and humbly toward my personal faith? If I tell you that I am my own savior, will you respect that? I don't insist that you have to believe in me, my personal savior, to be "saved," so why do you say that only your personal savior will "save" me?One thing that has always stumped me about Christians is why they oppose scientific inquiry. If God gave man the ability to reason objectively, then why shouldn't Christians behold science as His greatest gift? Why wouldn't a Christian's blind faith be more offensive to God than a scientist's objectivity? Why wasn't Darwin perceived by Christians to be more graceful in the eyes of the Lord than Bishop Berkeley?”HM

Possibly there is. Devoutly religious people may eschew consciousness in favor of bicamerality and make decisions dictated to them by hallucinated voices. This is the stuff of Julian Jaynes' theory of The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Jaynes regards human consciousness as an evolved successor of the bicameral mind, wherein religions find their power to control their subjects. Christianity is the best example of bicamerality I can think of. And science is the best example of consciousness I can think of. Once cured of bicamerality there's no going back...unless, as you say, psychological trauma drives a person in reverse for the comfort it may offer.”HM