What you want to know about Christ.

Phat, you do realise that every single question you have asked is off topic?This has to be some sort of record.

Why do people accept Jesus as the Messiah promised in the Hebrew Bible, when Jesus didn't fulfill a single messianic prophecy?Edited by Brian, : spelling

When are you ever ON topic? Looks like Kent has Internet access in his cell.

The thing is, they had no good reason to change their beliefs.

Micah 4:1 In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it. Did Jesus fulfill this basic messianic prophecy?

As you said this is different from the slaughter God ordered at Jericho. However, since you bring up Yahweh's insatiable thirst for blood, why did God (Jesus in Xian faith) make it impossible for the pharaoh to let the Hebrews leave Egypt.Jesus threatens the pharaoh by saying that the firstborn of Egypt will die if the pharaoh doesn't let the Hebrews go, Jesus then hardens pharaoh's heart making it impossible for him to allow the Hebrews leave. So why did Jesus manipulate the situation to allow Him to slaughter thousands yet again, which obviously included new born babies and elderly men and women?

Sorry mate, but this is a messianic prophecy.When do you think the messiah was to come?This messianic prophecy tells us about the messianic age during which the messiah will live. It heralds in an age of world peace, which Jesus clearly never witnessed, and war rages on in many areas of the world.Glad you agree though that Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy.Would you like another messianic prophecy that Jesus did not fulfill, or is one enough for you?

Just to clarify please.You are saying that Micah 4 that I posted is NOT a messianic prophecy?Just so that I am clear about what you are saying.Many thanks.

The Bible contradicts you. But not always the right to use it!Ask Jonah about free choice! Again, the Bible contradicts you.Exodus 4:21 The LORD said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.God hardens pharaoh's heart so that God can flex His divine muscle. This is basic theo Gen.Brian.

lol the tyrant wiped out everything on the face of the Earth except 8 people and some animals on a wee boat for goodness sakes. Oh I see, it is okay to murder innocent babies because you created them, what a lovely God you worship! Yes, and Jonah chose to go in the opposite direction from that which God had asked him to. So, did God honour Jonah’s free choice? Well it appears not . When Jonah CHOSE to go the opposite way from which Yahweh requested, Yahweh even made a huge fish to swallow Jonah and take him to where God wanted him to go!There is no free will there, Jonah was abducted by a big fish from God (it really does sound ridiculous doesn’t it?), so while Jonah chose to go where he wanted, God did not respect Jonah’s free will. So, why are you ignoring the Bible? I have posted one of the verses where God explicitly says that He will harden pharaoh’s heart and you ignore this. The LORD said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. God hardens pharaoh’s heart, it is there in black and white.Exod 7:3 But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt Exod 9:12 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses. Exod 10:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these miraculous signs of mine among them God explicitly says that He hardened pharaoh’s heart so that Yahweh could slaughter Egyptians.Exod 10:20
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go This tells us that it was impossible for the pharaoh to agree to let the people go, Yahweh had manipulated the situation to satisfy His lust for blood.Exod. 10:27 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he was not willing to let them go.Yahweh at it again.Exod 11:10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country. How obvious does it have to be, or are you willing to ignore the Bible in order to maintain your delusion that God is a fluffy little kind guy sitting on a cloud? Scriptural support please.

And, as you conveniently keep ignoring, the ONLY reasin why pharaoh didn't allow them to go was because GOD hardened pharaoh's heart! You need to stop repeating unbiblical beliefs if you are informing us of how wonderful the Bible is. Again this is mere invention and wishful thinking on your part, and again it is contrary to what the Bible says.Exodus 12:29-30At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead."not a house without someone dead", and this was why Egypt was wailing, this sort of contradicts what you are telling us doesnt it?Now you say that some Egyptians put blood on their doorposts, this is news to me and I would be very grateful if you could supply the Biblical support for this claim. Many thanks.Oh, before I go, I have an issue with this claim as well. Well, according to what I know about the book of Exodus, this is also contrary to what the Bible says.Exodus 12:3Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb [a] for his family, one for each household.Now where does the Bible say that the Egyptians were given the choice, all I see here is God telling Moses to tell Israel and Egypt isn't mentioned? So, I would appreciate biblical support for you claim that the Egyptians were told. Thanks again.There are some other claims that you have made in other posts that I have some real difficulty in finding support for in the Bible, but my main interest is the Hebrew Bible and Ancient Near Eastern history, and since you have made claims about the Exodus that I cannot find in the Bible I would apreciate some help from you in locating them.Thanks again.PS, this is not a debate I am only asking for clarification from you for the Bible references that support the claims I have highlighted.

And what you do not know you will just make up. So why do you not do this?Why do you feel the need to lie about what is in the Bible and when it is pointed out that you are misrepresenting the truth you cry like a little baby and take your ball home with you? Everybody here is searching for the truth, somehting that you seem to have no problem with avoiding. No one is trying to change you beliefs, but I hope I and other here have changed your belief about one thing, and that is how well you THINK you know the Bible.Very disappointed in you Gen, I thought we might at last have a member who actually knows a bit about the Bible and would have the integrity to admit that they do not know something rather than make up blatant lies about what the Bible says.I also must say that your excuse for not providing answers to very basic theo questions damages Xianity more than you know.I have had xians all over the world praying for me for about 15 years, all I can say is that your God is utterly useless, and obviously a liar too.

Jesus got his Y chromosome from the Roman centurion Pantera.Poor Joseph was so gullible he fell for Mary's excuse, top marks to the chick for quick thinking.Oh the shame of it all.

Hi Gen,Just to let you know I am still waiting for a scriptural reference that some Egyptians painted their doorposts with lambs blood, AND that the Egyptians were given a choice.If you made a mistake that is fine, just let me know.If you lied then there's a bigger guy than me to answer to!

I didn't say you were, I said you are either correct, mistaken, or lying.If you are not lying then you are either correct or mistaken.We can easily check if you are correct or not by checking the references that you give to support what you claim is in the Bible. Well I think you are. I already provided details, but I will outline them again for you.In post # 115 you claimed that:"But even some of the Egyptians painted blood on their doorposts and were spared. I am familiar with the prehistory books of the Hebrew Bible and this claim immediately caught my attention as it contradicts what I already know from the book of Exodus. However, I am not claiming to know the entire Bible so you may well have a reference form the Bible to support your claim that some Egyptians painted blood on their doorposts and were spared. But, as I posted in the reply to your post 115:Exodus 12:29-30 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.Surely you agree at face value this reference contradicts your claim that some Egyptians were spared. As the Bible is full of contradictions it is perfectly possible that you have a reference that does say some Egyptians were saved by putting blood on their doorposts, thus I would appreciate chapter and verse from the Hebrew Bible that supports your claim.You also claim:" All of Egypt could have done this. They were given the choice."I also have trouble accepting that the Hebrew Bible contains this information since it appears quite explicitly that the Egyptians were not to be told:Exodus 12:3Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.This mentions nothing about telling the Egyptians about God preparing to murder their children. So I am guessing that you must have read somewhere in the Bible that the Egyptians had been given a choice, why else would you make this claim? With this in mind, could you please provide the chapter and verse from the Hebrew Bible where you read it? I have read your replies and appreciate that you admit you were completely mistaken about the pharaoh having a choice to release the Israelites. Oh joy. Unless I have several labotomies, I won't be accepting anything Jesus offers.Anyway, I would appreciate the biblical references to support your two claims:1. Egyptians painted blood on their doorposts
2. The Egyptians had a choice to do this.Thanks.