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Topic: What you want to know about Christ.
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 67 of 300 (428707)
10-17-2007 11:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by nator
10-16-2007 9:05 AM
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and this is why eyewitness testimony is bupkis.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 68 of 300 (428708)
10-17-2007 11:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by gen
10-17-2007 5:40 AM
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Re: Favoured Tribe
They will not be judged as if they know the law. but the scripture says that the law is natural and all are without excuse. anyone who has or has not heard the law is still held by it.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 71 of 300 (428723)
10-17-2007 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by nator
10-17-2007 12:19 PM
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That's assuming the authors actually witnessed the events. John, for example, was written something like 300 years later, IIRC. It's also assuming that the events in question actually happened.
not really. lots of people even now claim to have witnessed things when they didn't, whether the thing happened or not. historical people don't lie any more than modern people.
John is very different in character than the other three Gospels. quite.
That's why the timing of the crucifiction was changed. Jesus becomes the symbolic "sacrificial Passover lamb" for all of humanity.
i think that's a reach.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 77 of 300 (428734)
10-17-2007 12:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 74 by nator
10-17-2007 12:42 PM
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well seeing as john is actually contemporary to the other gospels, it demonstrates at worst a personal interpretation but most likely a flawed "memory," but certainly doesn't represent some massive conspiracy to make up new books to fit a couple hundred years' religious shift.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 81 of 300 (428775)
10-17-2007 4:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by nator
10-17-2007 3:47 PM
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I never mentioned a "massive conspiracy", brenna. you suggested the story was deliberately changed (presumably by the "CHURCH") to reflect contemporary tradition. but, as it was written within the same time period as the others, this is not likely. it is more likely the work of a signle author or small group of people with differing spiritual education.
John, as others have mentioned, reflects a Gnostic influence.
yes. and that difference of tradition is likely to be the origin of differences, not the church making up a new gospel to fit it's "modernity".
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 84 of 300 (428793)
10-17-2007 4:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 83 by nator
10-17-2007 4:31 PM
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but it clearly wasn't change to fit a new doctrine if it was done during the same time period.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 87 of 300 (428817)
10-17-2007 5:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by Rahvin
10-17-2007 5:37 PM
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her proposal was that as the church evolved over the course of 300 years, they just developed new books to fit their needs. if you can't see there difference between these two principles (this and that of competing contemporary doctrines) then i can't help you.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 89 of 300 (428825)
10-17-2007 6:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by itrownot
10-17-2007 6:06 PM
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i think a more accurate representation of this is to not identify as a "baptist" or "presbyterian" or "catholic" but as a christian. which would of course require that those individual denominations accept that while they disagree on things, those other denominations have the same right to their title.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 93 of 300 (428842)
10-17-2007 7:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 91 by Rahvin
10-17-2007 6:54 PM
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in that same post, she said.
John, for example, was written something like 300 years later, IIRC. and then went to discuss how the new fangled doctrine led to new gospels.
As the Christian religion formed and grew into more than a tiny cult, different schools of thought sprouted up (such as the Gnostics, for example). In other words, differences in texts appeared becasue of doctrinal differences. The determination of which set of beliefs would be the "official" one was not decided until much later (such that it was), and thus there were several competing systems of beliefs. clearly.
is false. no. it wasn't new. it was contemporary.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 94 of 300 (428843)
10-17-2007 7:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by itrownot
10-17-2007 7:10 PM
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maybe not, but you very often hear people who identify by their denomination claiming that other denominations are fronts for satan.
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macaroniandcheese
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Message 132 of 300 (429566)
10-20-2007 9:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by gen
10-20-2007 9:08 PM
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Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Rom 1:19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. God Bless you, my brother/sister in Christ. you know, that's the first time anyone on this board has ever said that to me. thank you. you have no idea.
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