|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: What you want to know about Christ. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
itrownot writes: Sure, you may decide to declare victory after a fashion, but so what? I haven't declared any victory. I've shown where (I think) you're wrong. Anybody reading this can make up their own minds whose point is stronger - which is why it's important to lay it out very precisely for them. If you don't want to communicate with your audience, you're just wearing out your keyboard for nothing.
I'm interested in more quality of conversation thatn that, frankly, and you might well get used to that from me as well, I suppose. You're welcome to show some quality on your end. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
itrownot Member (Idle past 6028 days) Posts: 71 Joined: |
Ohmagosh, ringo, you just keep layin it down now for us, don't you. I never said you had declared any victory, I only suggested the distinct possibility--let's say the strong probability--that someone of your bent eventually resorts to such tactics, based upon your rather obvious, pathetic need to impress someone, I suppose. You're that predictable, I'm afraid. You are also more than a bit presumptuous, I dare say, and no doubt quite cantankerous as well--and, yes, let's let the readers of this "exchange of ideas" decide for themselves if perhaps I may exaggerate too much. (On the positive side, your face'd probably launch a thousand covered wagons, if only it were truly yours, my dear (man?)). Seriously, my first impression of you is that you are much too preoccupied with silly nitpicking and gamesmanship than to ever engage someone, particularly someone new to the forum, in any serious substantive discussion. Why is that, ringo... are you really that much superior or something? Of course not, yet you continue accusing me of precisely those things you do yourself. Are you even aware of these tendencies? Suggestion: Try exercising a little more kindness, if you please. That'll help the musturd go down. Bye bye..
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
itrownot Member (Idle past 6028 days) Posts: 71 Joined: |
Well, ringo, my friend, I suppose I've probably gone and infracted them rules already on this here forum by calling a spade a spade, but perhaps a poor newbie like me can find a bit o' grace owing to the goading he received tonight, ostensibly by some inveterate cowgal with a knockout face and 4685 posts under her belt (or else more'n likely some stumblebum dude with a three-day growth and, well, oh, nevermind...). You win, ringo, you dastardly dingo, whoever you may be....arrghhhh! (And, fade to black...)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
gen Member (Idle past 6011 days) Posts: 78 Joined: |
My first post deliberately asks that people dont argue too much in this thread. I made it for people who are honestly searching for something more in their lives. If you want to debate things, please use another thread. God loves you, and so do I. But this is not the place for a debate. Yes, I do have answers to what you have stated, but this thread is not the place. I welcome you views, not your arguments. Almost everything in your post I have been over before. I am praying for you, and everyone else in this forum, sincerely that you may come to know Christ as I do.
God Bless you, my brother (or sister, but your name suggests you are male) in Christ.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
gen Member (Idle past 6011 days) Posts: 78 Joined: |
You may also like to read the post I just sent in reply to Brian. God sometimes performs in ways we cannot understand until he explains it. I do not see that I disagreed with the Bible. I stand by the belief that God knows all that has happened, is happening and will happen. He is all-powerful, all-present and all-knowing. (the Bible backs this up). I will also pray ernestly for you that you will come to know Jesus Christ.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
gen,
But this is not the place for a debate. How silly of us, most of us come to this debate forum to have a debate. If all you want to do is prosetylise your religion, take it elsewhere. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
gen Member (Idle past 6011 days) Posts: 78 Joined: |
God created us. God created the earth. 'The earth' includes our atmosphere, food, water and everything else that keeps us alive. Why is it that a lot of humans completely disregard God for all their lives, and then when someone dies or is hurt or there is some other tradgedy, they scream at God and ask him why he did it? Well, the thing is, he didn't do it. Satan did. Yes, God could have stopped him, but here is the reason:
The only reason Satan is still alive is because God allowed it. Now, this may seem weird and cruel to the rest of us, but keep reading. Lucifer (what Satan was called before the fall) had gone around in heaven and convinced a third of the angels that God was unfair. This is because God hadn't included him, the head angel in his plans for the new earth. He was jealous, and like so many people who are just below the top position, tried extremely hard to get to the top. God had to throw Lucifer out of heaven, along with a third of his beloved angels. If God had killed Satan, then everyone would have always wondered what might have happened. We would have obeyed God out of fear, not love. God gave him a chance to show his way on this earth. Please note; Eve didn't have to eat the apple off the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but she gave into temptation and the result was Satan and his demons (fallen angels) being allowed over the whole earth. There is no sin on other planets. Only here. The whole universe is watching to see if we give in to Evil. I pray that you won't. I pray you all will resist. I pray you will all come to know Christ sincerely. Edited by gen, : I said the whole world was watching when I should have said universe.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AdminPhat Inactive Member |
*Ahem*.... Forum Guidelines Cutting you some slack for being a newbie...but ya gotta read the manual!
You may also take your argument here and get feedback from other administrators. Usually, we leave topic promotion to the first administrator that responds, unless that administrator invites others to comment. ************************************ "DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU" AdminPhat
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
To be fair, I originally did mention 300 years, but was corrected later.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
gen Member (Idle past 6011 days) Posts: 78 Joined: |
Rahvin writes: In addition to the aforementioned Flood that killed everything on Earth: Genesis 19:24 quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exodus 12:29 quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. In all three of these circumstances, the people had a chance to surrender to God and live. Noah preached for about 100 years to the people asking them to repent. None repented, but they had the choice. Abraham argued with God enough so that if there were even 10!!! good people in Sodom, then they would be spared. Pharoah had numerous chances to allow the Israelites out. But he declined. But even some of the Egyptians painted blood on their doorposts and were spared. All of Egypt could have done this. They were given the choice.
Rahvin writes: The entire book of Leviticus, nearly, is devoted to instructing the Hebrews on how to make blood sacrifices. I literally can't quote it all - it's almost the entire book. The core ****** tenet of Christianity is that God sacrificed himself as Jesus to himself on the Cross. At minimum that is human sacrifice. At most it's also ******* insane. Please do not use profanity. I have eliminated those words in the quote. The sacrifice of the lamb is not merely for the sake of it. It points towards Jesus giving his life to save ours. 'The Creator of the Universe would rather die for you than live without you.' (Thats a quote, but I'm not quite sure who said it). Think on that quote for a minute. In the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites by God. Anyone who breaks God's law is worthy of death. A lamb had to die in their place for their sins, because Jesus hadn't come yet. So those sacrifices pointed to the ultimate Sacrifice-Jesus Christ, the Son of God. When Jesus died, he paid for all of our sins. 'The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.' Romans 6:23. He died so we could go to heaven. We, means anyone on this earth. The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. It's a gift! All we have to do is accept it. That's what different about Jesus! Most other religions include people [i]earning[i/] their own Salvation. But God gives it to us for free! Why shouldn't we accept? Romans 10:9 'If you confess with your mouth 'Jesus is Lord' and believe in your heart that God raise him from the dead, you will be saved! It's that simple! God's grace is a free gift to all who take it. Not accepting is like refusing a birthday gift and saying 'I need to earn it.' Sounds silly, doesn't it? That's because it is. Accept God's gift!
Rahvin writes: The Hebrews in the Bible commit genocide after genocide in the name of God, with his supposed approval (killing all of the males and taking the women and female children as their "wives," for example. Can you say rape?). God's people don't always do what God wants. This is wrong. 'Do not commit adultery.' 'Do not murder.' No-one on earth is perfect. This is exactly the reason we need God's grace. Without it, we would be dead. It is not God that causes these things, but Satan.
Rahvin writes: ...by that same logic any woman should be able to kill their child - any time, at any age, for no reason, becasue she gave the child life, and so "has the right to take it away." Without God, the whole reproduction process would not, could not happen. God has given us the ability to do so.
Rahvin writes: There's that kid with the magnifying glass again. "Look how great I am! Look what I can do!" God fully deserves our praise. He created us, He died for us, He puts up with our silly whims, and He will take all who accept His gift to heaven one day. He can't do much more. I am praying for you Rahvin, my brother/sister in Christ, that you may come to know Jesus as your Saviour. God Bless.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
gen Member (Idle past 6011 days) Posts: 78 Joined: |
I stopped replying in that thread because everything was going round in circles and I could see I wouldn't change their minds. The whole Bible agrees, and it was written by over 40 authors over a few thousand years on several different continents! Most of them didn't know each other, though may have read the others books. Especially the Old Testament prophets agree, often without knowing each other, or reading each others books. Any further discussion on this topic should be continued in the aforementioned thread.
God Bless.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Actually I didn't like it. It says that you started this thread to lecture and you do not want better-informed people pointing out your mistakes.
quote: Then go reread Message 39 And let us add that you still seem to be contradicting the Bible. In Exodus God does not give Pharoah the chance gto let the Israelites go. He does not give the Pharoah a way out - in fact he iontnetionally stops the Pharoah from choosing the way out. And He does it because he wants to demonstrate his power by inflicting misery, suffering and death on the Egyptians. You may not like this - it may contradict your beliefs but it is what the Bible says. If the Bible is truly the Word of God then it is above your opinions, it is even above the teachings and doctrines of your Church. I hope that one day you recognise this fact - in deed, as well as word.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AdminQuetzal Inactive Member |
My first post deliberately asks that people dont argue too much in this thread. I made it for people who are honestly searching for something more in their lives. If you want to debate things, please use another thread. God loves you, and so do I. But this is not the place for a debate. I deeply regret that you have possibly mistaken this forum for a site where those so inclined may proselytize or witness without comment from the rest of the board members. You seem to be one who truly wishes to share what she feels was a life-changing experience without question or debate. Unfortunately, that is not the nature of this discussion board. If you wish, it is entirely possible to establish a Great Debate topic wherein the participants are limited to one or at most a few members, which would consequently limit the feedback that appears to make you uncomfortable in open debate. Alternatively, you may continue in open fora as here - but be aware that your discussion will be open to all - and your beliefs open to challenge. I fear you may find this forum less-than-fullfilling if all you seek is a place to witness.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
itrownot Member (Idle past 6028 days) Posts: 71 Joined: |
hey, okay, adminphat, thanks for that. I had read the manual actually, but admit to losing it and going off on ringo at a point. Sorry for the transgression that way. In retrospect, I suppose I ought to have been more self-disciplined in handling what I perceived as unnecessary badgering on ringo's part. I was clearly in error in taking the tactless route and going ad hominem..
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
itrownot Member (Idle past 6028 days) Posts: 71 Joined: |
apologies to you also, ringo. you didn't deserve my trirade last night. it was certainly a breach of etiquette on my part, but also, and more importantly, it was overly critical to the point of abusive. that's not what i care to be doing--i'll sooner take my dozen or so posts and head outta Dodge.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024